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Postby Socialist Czechia » Fri May 04, 2018 3:55 am

So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?
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Postby Seangoli » Fri May 04, 2018 4:02 am

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The truly idiotic part of the "Got Mine, Fuck You All" is that I know a metric ass ton of conservative minded libertarian types who do not realize that no, they do not get theirs. They got fucked too before the ACA was in place. I know people who have benefited immensely from the ACA and the protections it provides, and they still think the government should get out of healthcare, even though these same damn people were bitching and moaning about the private health insurance industry before the ACA was passed. They fail to realize that they are fucked without it, yet they want to get rid of it because they think they can somehow afford non-subsidized insurance.

Then again, what do I expect when people think that Republican policies will bring about economic and wage growth, when almost all of the poorest states in the country are hardcore Republican, whether you account for it by actual wages, per capita income, median income, or even GDP. It's a fucking joke.



I still recall people holding banners saying “get government out of my Medicare”


Remember when the Republicans were trying to repeal the ACA? Well, some polls were done with Republicans. The poll found that a large plurality of Republicans wanted congress to leave the Affordable Care Act alone, however almost all of the respondents wanted Obamacare to be repealed. Hell, I know people who said as much in real life. My head hurt after that.

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Postby Albrenia » Fri May 04, 2018 4:12 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?


I think so. At least he'd be a President not ruling by tantrum. He'd be bad, no doubt, but he'd just be your average shitty President, instead of fuckin' Trump.

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Postby Seangoli » Fri May 04, 2018 4:16 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?


In the unlikely event that Trump gets impeached, the Republican party would effectively be neutered from doing anything major. Public opinion against them would be at an all time low, and their efforts would need to be in rebuilding themselves.

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Postby Tobleste » Fri May 04, 2018 5:15 am

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In terms of his political agenda he does, and he has unwavering support among Christian voters.. I really don't see Christian leaders speaking out against Trump that much.. I mean given his lifestyle they should be at the forefront of outcry as keepers of the moral spirit of America but they're not.

Capitalist religion in America has been roundly exposed for the utter degeneracy and moral bankruptcy of its profession.


Yeah, the religious right sold out to Trump it seems. Not surprising though, considering.


I'm not sure if it counts as selling out. I think Trump just realised how cheap their morals already were and knew they didn't really care. Selling out implies they had standards to begin with and I'm unsure if they deserve that much credit.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 5:55 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Fri May 04, 2018 6:01 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

I don’t want a man who wants to electrocute me as president


I know. What was wrong with good ol' rope?

Or the gun. One .45 bullet is highly practical and you don't waste precious electricity on some rapist pedophile.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 04, 2018 6:04 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I don’t want a man who wants to electrocute me as president


I know. What was wrong with good ol' rope?

Or the gun. One .45 bullet is highly practical and you don't waste precious electricity on some rapist pedophile.

You have misunderstood what is being referenced.

Badly misunderstood.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 04, 2018 6:20 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

I don’t want a man who wants to electrocute me as president

Just because Pence wants to zap you doesn't mean he'll get to especially if he replaced Donnie after resignation or removal.
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If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 6:25 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I don’t want a man who wants to electrocute me as president

Just because Pence wants to zap you doesn't mean he'll get to especially if he replaced Donnie after resignation or removal.

I know it probably won’t happen but it’s the fact he wants to
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 04, 2018 6:28 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Just because Pence wants to zap you doesn't mean he'll get to especially if he replaced Donnie after resignation or removal.

I know it probably won’t happen but it’s the fact he wants to

I say again, Pence being sworn in will not make the Stonewall Inn spontaneously combust and burn to the ground.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby West Leas Oros » Fri May 04, 2018 6:29 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Just because Pence wants to zap you doesn't mean he'll get to especially if he replaced Donnie after resignation or removal.

I know it probably won’t happen but it’s the fact he wants to

Electrocute him first.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 6:29 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I know it probably won’t happen but it’s the fact he wants to

I say again, Pence being sworn in will not make the Stonewall Inn spontaneously combust and burn to the ground.

I know
I just don’t want a president who’s only stopped from doing because of the law. I want a president who respects me as a human being
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 6:30 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I know it probably won’t happen but it’s the fact he wants to

Electrocute him first.

That’s called political assassination.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 04, 2018 6:30 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:I say again, Pence being sworn in will not make the Stonewall Inn spontaneously combust and burn to the ground.

I know
I just don’t want a president who’s only stopped from doing because of the law. I want a president who respects me as a human being

I don't think there's anyone like that available right now. Try again in 2020.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Fri May 04, 2018 6:31 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Electrocute him first.

That’s called political assassination.

What’s wrong with assassination?
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Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 6:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I know
I just don’t want a president who’s only stopped from doing because of the law. I want a president who respects me as a human being

I don't think there's anyone like that available right now. Try again in 2020.

Eh 2016 made me lose all my faith in American democracy
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri May 04, 2018 6:32 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That’s called political assassination.

What’s wrong with assassination?

I don’t have a hidden blade
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Postby Geneviev » Fri May 04, 2018 6:32 am

Arlenton wrote:That's... That's not normal.

No, it's not. Nothing is normal anymore.

Albrenia wrote:That sounds terrible - if that sort of stuff was happening to me I'd seriously consider moving to Finland and going off news and social media until the aftermath of the next election.

Not even joking. You're a tougher person than I am, no doubt.

I'm already going off social media. It's not a choice anymore.

Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

Gosh, no. Mike Pence supports conversion therapy and, unlike Trump, he knows what he's doing. No.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Fri May 04, 2018 6:35 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:What’s wrong with assassination?

I don’t have a hidden blade

Do you have access to any snipers? How about a bomb?
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Fri May 04, 2018 7:03 am

Geneviev wrote:Gosh, no. Mike Pence supports conversion therapy and, unlike Trump, he knows what he's doing. No.


Well, in practice, it may "work". Like when straight person have gay sex after 15 beers. In practice, it worked too. Consequences are entirely different question :D

Much like tariffs and protectionism generally. While it can sound plausible, in some aspects, in reality, many consequences sucks.
Direct trade war between superpowers is just bad idea.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri May 04, 2018 8:03 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That’s called political assassination.

What’s wrong with assassination?


there's this weird thing called The Rule of Law. Most of us prefer it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 04, 2018 8:13 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

It has been debated. Frequently. And it remains stupid.

Rule of law matters. The institutions matter. If we ignore these things because the next in line is not ideal we've chucked that over for nothing more than half assed concern trolling. Fuck that bullshit.

Pence will be a president, probably a bad one. But still just a president. With an agenda that will still need support of the legislative body. But he won't be one that runs ripshod over our institutions or flagrantly uses the office to enrich himself.

I'm so sick of Trump being passed off as the least worst option to rationalize letting his bullshit continue. He is the worst option. If you supported him, if you wrung your hands with your vague concerns about an objectively qualified candidate who understood the office and the process fucking own your goddamn mistake. Enough of this trying to pretend this is anything other than a fucking disaster and if and when evidence of his wrongdoing is presented we should take action because these things fucking matter. Vote Pence the fuck out in 2020 but don't excuse a robber baron president by pretending again that he's the worst best option.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Fri May 04, 2018 8:16 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:So, what if Mike Pence became POTUS?

Wouldn't that be actually still worse? This option is not much widely debated, as I see, which is surprising. If you manage to kick Trump out, will he be replaced by something better?

It has been debated. Frequently. And it remains stupid.

Rule of law matters. The institutions matter. If we ignore these things because the next in line is not ideal we've chucked that over for nothing more than half assed concern trolling. Fuck that bullshit.

Pence will be a president, probably a bad one. But still just a president. With an agenda that will still need support of the legislative body. But he won't be one that runs ripshod over our institutions or flagrantly uses the office to enrich himself.

I'm so sick of Trump being passed off as the least worst option to rationalize letting his bullshit continue. He is the worst option. If you supported him, if you wrung your hands with your vague concerns about an objectively qualified candidate who understood the office and the process fucking own your goddamn mistake. Enough of this trying to pretend this is anything other than a fucking disaster and if and when evidence of his wrongdoing is presented we should take action because these things fucking matter. Vote Pence the fuck out in 2020 but don't excuse a robber baron president by pretending again that he's the worst best option.

The same people who had a chance to prevent a moronic robber baron in the first place but wanted to tell the other candidate to suck them off.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby USS Monitor » Fri May 04, 2018 8:39 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I don’t want a man who wants to electrocute me as president


I know. What was wrong with good ol' rope?

Or the gun. One .45 bullet is highly practical and you don't waste precious electricity on some rapist pedophile.


I'm a little confused and surprised to see this from someone that isn't a recurring troll, but it's really not kosher to be telling Internationalist that he deserves to be executed and calling him a rapist pedo. If it was meant ironically, keep in mind that tone is hard to read in a text-only medium. *** Warned for flaming ***
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