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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 03, 2018 4:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

If that's real... I cry. If that's fake... the fact that I thought it was real for a second is sad and I cry.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu May 03, 2018 4:19 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

And Evangelicals are cheering him on to no surprise.

Odds on this faith office excluding Those Dirty Muslims?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 03, 2018 4:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office


From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.
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Postby Valgora » Thu May 03, 2018 4:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu May 03, 2018 4:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office


From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.


Today’s order also includes language further undermining the Johnson Amendment, offering added protections for “any individual, house of worship, or other religious organization” who make political statements from any “action that makes unavailable or denies any tax deduction, exemption, credit, or benefit.”

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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 03, 2018 4:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office


From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.

According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.
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Postby Camicon » Thu May 03, 2018 4:24 pm

It's something that actually happened.

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Postby Arlenton » Thu May 03, 2018 4:25 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

Banging porn stars while solidifying the religious right vote. An absolute madman!

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Postby Hittanryan » Thu May 03, 2018 4:25 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

I hate how conservatives made "religious freedom" a buzzword for electrocuting gays and promoting back alley abortions.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 03, 2018 4:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office


From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.

Of course there isn't. Mike Pence probably wrote it. After getting legal advice. It probably amounts to almost nothing of consequence beyond making Christian theocrats have sinful feelings in their pants.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.

According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.


But every time I've brought that up I always get told that just means the government cannot stop you forming a religious movement. I am not sure where that idea comes from.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.


Today’s order also includes language further undermining the Johnson Amendment, offering added protections for “any individual, house of worship, or other religious organization” who make political statements from any “action that makes unavailable or denies any tax deduction, exemption, credit, or benefit.”


Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
From a quick glance over the article nothing seems to be illegal about this.

According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.


That's... not exactly what it means.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 03, 2018 4:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Geneviev wrote:According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.


But every time I've brought that up I always get told that just means the government cannot stop you forming a religious movement. I am not sure where that idea comes from.

A shallow reading of the text.
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Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen, und die laufen vom Gesicht, doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser so die Tränen sieht man nicht. In der Tiefe ist es einsam, und so manche Zähre fließt, und so kommt es dass das Wasser in den Meeren salzig ist

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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 03, 2018 4:31 pm

Camicon wrote:It's something that actually happened.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... ed-states/

I cry.

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I am a good American citizen. I have never done anything illegal. I attend school and have ambitions to serve my country as a forensic psychologist. I was raised in a conservative Christian family. I am exactly the perfect definition of a good American. The only exception to this is my gender, which I can not help. Christians like yourself often assume that it not only is something I can change, but something I should change. They seem to feel justified in citing religion as a reason to not associate with me and not help me. Laws and executive orders and any action from the government that confirm the idea that religion is more important than humanity only make this problem worse.

My hope for this country is that it will eventually be able to reconcile freedom of religion as it was first intended to be applied with the modern conservative Christian view of it. Mr. President, freedom of religion means that the government does not get involved in religion.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu May 03, 2018 4:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.


Is this the point we're at? The sitting US president needs to commit a crime to be criticised for something?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 03, 2018 4:33 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.


Is this the point we're at? The sitting US president needs to commit a crime to be criticised for something?


Oh no you're free to criticize, I think it's dumb as shit myself. Vassenor just seems to think everything violates the First Amendment without ever bothering to learn what each clause in it means and restricts the government from doing.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 03, 2018 4:33 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.


Is this the point we're at? The sitting US president needs to commit a crime to be criticised for something?

Well yeah, it's not like he's a black Democrat.
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Und der Haifisch der hat Tränen, und die laufen vom Gesicht, doch der Haifisch lebt im Wasser so die Tränen sieht man nicht. In der Tiefe ist es einsam, und so manche Zähre fließt, und so kommt es dass das Wasser in den Meeren salzig ist

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Postby Bombadil » Thu May 03, 2018 4:33 pm

The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.


Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 03, 2018 4:34 pm

Bombadil wrote:The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.


Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..


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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 03, 2018 4:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:So Trump's back to ruling by decree and has put a knife in the Separation of Church and State in the process.

Trump Signs “Religious Freedom” Executive Order On National Day Of Prayer, Creating Faith-Based Office

Religious “freedom”. This is bull.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 03, 2018 4:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Geneviev wrote:According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.


But every time I've brought that up I always get told that just means the government cannot stop you forming a religious movement. I am not sure where that idea comes from.

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means religion doesn't control government. "Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" means government doesn't control religion.
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Postby Arlenton » Thu May 03, 2018 4:35 pm

Y'all are all going to gitmo for your sins.

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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 03, 2018 4:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:


Saw that, but given his previous EO on the topic was decried for also undermining the Johnson Amendment and afaik nothing was ever declared illegal about that one. It really just amounts to bone throwing for the evangelical community.

Geneviev wrote:According to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution:


Translated: Government does not control religion and religion does not control government.


That's... not exactly what it means.

What then?

"Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" = religion doesn't control government
"Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" = government doesn't control religion
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 03, 2018 4:36 pm

Arlenton wrote:Y'all are all going to gitmo for your sins.


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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 03, 2018 4:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:The Executive Order creates the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative within the Executive Office of the President.

The Initiative will be led by the newly created position of Advisor to the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative (Initiative) and be supported by experts and various community and faith leaders from outside of the Federal Government.

All executive departments and agencies that do not have Centers for Faith and Opportunity Initiatives will designate a liaison to the Initiative.


Am I reading that right, effectively all departments need to report to the Faith and Opportunity Initiative?

I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition..

The Donald's just creating jobs.

Government jobs.

That won't do anything.

...

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