Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Ifreann]

Your words, not mine.

Even if Russia doesn't use nukes, the lives of American diplomats throughout Russia and probably elsewhere would be put in immediate danger.

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

[Lowell Leber]

I think the effects of the Russian meddling are being blown way out of proportion compared to the violation of diplomatic repricocity being discussed here. And besides our nation has meddled in many other nation's elections over the years.

[San Lumen]

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

So Canada is suddenly going to say lets raid the American embassy? I doubt it.

[Painisia]

I think we are in a new Cold War. Perhaps worse than the previous

[Kramanica]

Because us raiding a foreign country's embassies would send the message that we don't respect diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty.

I disagree. It would say to Russia you violate our sovereignty we wont respect yours.

No country would want to have embassies or consulates on our soil and wouldn't respect the ones we have in their countries.

Ffs. You really are trying to start and international crisis.

[Hittanryan]

I am actually worried here. We have a dipshit incharge of the US armed forces and a warhawk adviser.

I really hope ww3 doesn't start from this.

Yeah John Bolton still won't admit that the Iraq War was the greatest foreign policy blunder in modern US history. He's an unrepentant Bush-era neocon that Trump lied about opposing.

[Kramanica]

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

So Canada is suddenly going to say lets raid the American embassy? I doubt it.

No, they're going to say, "Hm, America doesn't respect national sovereignty. Let's kick their diplomats out of our country and remove our diplomats from theirs."

[The House of Petain]

Good, giving middle finger to the regulatory omnistate is virtuous. Effective altruism for third-world people is a bonus

Wouldn't it make more sense to just repeal such domestic regulation so we could have the altruism here?

No

[Jerzylvania]

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

Maybe bc America is the only thing standing between them and the Russians militarily.

[The Parkus Empire]

I think the effects of the Russian meddling are being blown way out of proportion compared to the violation of diplomatic repricocity being discussed here. And besides our nation has meddled in many other nation's elections over the years.

Backing coups in democratic states and all

[San Lumen]

So Canada is suddenly going to say lets raid the American embassy? I doubt it.

No, they're going to say, "Hm, America doesn't respect national sovereignty. Let's kick their diplomats out of our country and remove our diplomats from theirs."

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

[Hittanryan]

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

Maybe bc America is the only thing standing between them and the Russians militarily.

You might want to brush up on why we have embassies and modern diplomatic practices...

[Kramanica]

No, they're going to say, "Hm, America doesn't respect national sovereignty. Let's kick their diplomats out of our country and remove our diplomats from theirs."

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

So you essentially want to cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's foremost nuclear powers?

And Trump is the one trying to start WW3?

[Post War America]

No, they're going to say, "Hm, America doesn't respect national sovereignty. Let's kick their diplomats out of our country and remove our diplomats from theirs."

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

Which is still problematic, completely ceasing diplomatic relations is usually a prelude for war. If we cut those ties, it could very easily be perceived as the US getting ready to attack them which is likely to cause problems even if that is not our actual intent.

[Jerzylvania]

I think we are in a new Cold War. Perhaps worse than the previous

I agree, and among other reasons, it's likely worse bc our commander-in-chief may be compromised by involvement in financial dealings with Putin.

[San Lumen]

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

So you essentially want to cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's foremost nuclear powers?

And Trump is the one trying to start WW3?

Why would Russia start a war if we closed all their consulates and their Embassy? A country has every right to do that.

[Hittanryan]

I think the effects of the Russian meddling are being blown way out of proportion compared to the violation of diplomatic repricocity being discussed here. And besides our nation has meddled in many other nation's elections over the years.

You'll notice there's copious opposition in this thread to the idea of storming embassies.

The US was wrong to interfere in others' elections, just like it was wrong for Russia to meddle in ours.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I am actually worried here. We have a dipshit incharge of the US armed forces and a warhawk adviser.

I really hope ww3 doesn't start from this.

Hopefully the military refuses to go along with any actions that would start such a conflict.

I hope. But it seems unlikely. Those two working together seems to just spell disaster.

I am actually worried here. We have a dipshit incharge of the US armed forces and a warhawk adviser.

I really hope ww3 doesn't start from this.

Yeah John Bolton still won't admit that the Iraq War was the greatest foreign policy blunder in modern US history. He's an unrepentant Bush-era neocon that Trump lied about opposing.

I think with Bolton on board, that is the final straw for "Trump hiring the best people."

[Kartofian]

No, they're going to say, "Hm, America doesn't respect national sovereignty. Let's kick their diplomats out of our country and remove our diplomats from theirs."

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

In order to achieve what? Send a message? That's what embassies are for. When it comes to foreign relations grandstanding only works on the domestic audiences, the Russians won't budge.

[Ifreann]

If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

So Canada is suddenly going to say lets raid the American embassy? I doubt it.

Canada might not, since they're America's ally. What about Mexico? Cuba? China? Even if they don't raid America's embassies, why would they keep their own embassies in America? They'll recall their diplomats before America does something stupid like arrest them. They'll close their embassies and destroy anything sensitive inside before America raids them.

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If America won't respect Russia's embassies, why should anyone else respect America's embassies?

Maybe bc America is the only thing standing between them and the Russians militarily.

Tell me more about how Russia is poised to take over the world.

[Post War America]

So you essentially want to cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's foremost nuclear powers?

And Trump is the one trying to start WW3?

Why would Russia start a war if we closed all their consulates and their Embassy? A country has every right to do that.

Yes, but even during the Cuban Missile Crisis we maintained diplomatic relations. Such things are necessary unless you are already at war with someone, or plan to be in the near future. Since avoiding a thermonuclear war is considered a good thing, and since Russia is a leading nuclear power; it is necessary to maintain diplomatic relations with Russia.

[Jerzylvania]

Maybe bc America is the only thing standing between them and the Russians militarily.

You might want to brush up on why we have embassies and modern diplomatic practices...

I am aware and I don't like this situation at all. We are in dangerous waters here. Yet, this is how many other nations benefit from American power. It's certainly a dilemma.

[San Lumen]

Ok fine then doubt raid the embassy. But I would at the very least close every single consulate and the Russian embassy.

In order to achieve what? Send a message? That's what embassies are for. When it comes to foreign relations grandstanding only works on the domestic audiences, the Russians won't budge.

Yes send a message that if Russia wants to persist in what they are doing then and meddle in elections their diplomats are not welcome.

[Hittanryan]

So you essentially want to cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's foremost nuclear powers?

And Trump is the one trying to start WW3?

Why would Russia start a war if we closed all their consulates and their Embassy? A country has every right to do that.

Being within one's rights to do something doesn't mean they're well-advised to do so. Severing diplomatic relations is an extreme measure only used when the embassy's government no longer recognizes the host nation's government as legitimate. It's usually a prelude to war, embargoes, or other serious measures that we probably don't want to try with a major nuclear power.

[Kramanica]

So you essentially want to cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's foremost nuclear powers?

And Trump is the one trying to start WW3?

Why would Russia start a war if we closed all their consulates and their Embassy? A country has every right to do that.

They wluld take it as a sign that we are getting for war. The only time countries completely suspend diplomacy is when war is imminent.