Trump MAGAThread XII: A Tarriff-ic Thread!

[Hittanryan]

Just an aside: why the fuck do gov't agents use nerve agents to kill people like this? It's not like any dipshit can make them in their garage; they're gonna lead back to some sort of nation somewhere? Aren't they supposed to be covert with this shit?

You know how in video games you'll at least try out every weapon you get? It's like that.

Probably doing it to make absolutely sure their target dies. Don't want the target to survive and then go on record; he could expose the assassins.

[San Lumen]

Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats and closes consulate in Seattle

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

[Ifreann]

Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats and closes consulate in Seattle

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

It's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything.

[San Lumen]

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

It's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything.

why its what should be done.

[Hittanryan]

It's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything.

why its what should be done.

An act of war against the one nuclear power that can annihilate us? Play stupid games...

[Kramanica]

Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats and closes consulate in Seattle

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

Oh yeah completely cut off all diplomacy between two of the world's nuclear powers. That'll do wonders for international relations.

[San Lumen]

why its what should be done.

An act of war against the one nuclear power that can annihilate us? Play stupid games...

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

[Ifreann]

It's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything.

why its what should be done.

No it isn't. It's stupid. America's diplomats and embassies and consulates would be in serious danger.

[Kramanica]

Gee, I dunno.

Seems rather ambiguous.

Just an aside: why the fuck do gov't agents use nerve agents to kill people like this? It's not like any dipshit can make them in their garage; they're gonna lead back to some sort of nation somewhere? Aren't they supposed to be covert with this shit?

As an intimidation tactic perhaps? Who knows.

[San Lumen]

why its what should be done.

No it isn't. It's stupid. America's diplomats and embassies and consulates would be in serious danger.

Why? They meddled in an election why should their embassy and consulates get any respect?

[Ifreann]

An act of war against the one nuclear power that can annihilate us? Play stupid games...

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

Even Britain didn't expel every Russian diplomat.

[Post War America]

Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats and closes consulate in Seattle

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

That's a terrible idea, maintaining diplomatic relations with Russia, no matter how cold, is critical to avoiding a thermonuclear war. For someone who seems deathly afraid of going to war with "nuclear armed" states like Iran and North Korea you really do want to provoke one with Russia, who actually has far more weapons, and far more impetus to actually use them on your own home city.

[San Lumen]

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

Even Britain didn't expel every Russian diplomat.

Well I would. Russia should be diplomatically isolated

[Ifreann]

No it isn't. It's stupid. America's diplomats and embassies and consulates would be in serious danger.

Why? They meddled in an election why should their embassy and consulates get any respect?

Reciprocity.

[Kramanica]

No it isn't. It's stupid. America's diplomats and embassies and consulates would be in serious danger.

Why? They meddled in an election why should their embassy and consulates get any respect?

Because that would be terrible diplomacy and would open our embassies and consulates up to the same shit.

[San Lumen]

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

That's a terrible idea, maintaining diplomatic relations with Russia, no matter how cold, is critical to avoiding a thermonuclear war. For someone who seems deathly afraid of going to war with "nuclear armed" states like Iran and North Korea you really do want to provoke one with Russia, who actually has far more weapons, and far more impetus to actually use them on your own home city.

Putin isn't going to launch nuclear weapons. He's not a megalomanic like Kim Jung un.

[Hittanryan]

An act of war against the one nuclear power that can annihilate us? Play stupid games...

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats and closes consulate in Seattle

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

Your words, not mine.

Even if Russia doesn't use nukes, the lives of American diplomats throughout Russia and probably elsewhere would be put in immediate danger.

[San Lumen]

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

If it were up to me I would close every Russian consulate and the embassy and expel every single Russian diplomat from the country but not before violating the sovereignty of their diplomatic missions to seize any and all documents related to Russian election meddling and anything else of interest.

Your words, not mine.

Even if Russia doesn't use nukes, the lives of American diplomats throughout Russia and probably elsewhere would be put in immediate danger.

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

[Post War America]

An act of war against the one nuclear power that can annihilate us? Play stupid games...

Yeah Russia is really going to cause a nuclear war. If we can't raid the consulates and embassy then at least close every single one of them and expel every Russian diplomats. That's not a act of war.

Violating the sovereignty of Russian soil, which legally, embassies are, can be reasonably considered an act of war. Further I should point out that even at the height of Cold War tensions, we had diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union, and in fact one could very easily argue that those embassies became THE most important factor in preventing a thermonuclear war.

[Kramanica]

Your words, not mine.

Even if Russia doesn't use nukes, the lives of American diplomats throughout Russia and probably elsewhere would be put in immediate danger.

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

Because us raiding a foreign country's embassies would send the message that we don't respect diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I am actually worried here. We have a dipshit incharge of the US armed forces and a warhawk adviser.

I really hope ww3 doesn't start from this.

[San Lumen]

I am actually worried here. We have a dipshit incharge of the US armed forces and a warhawk adviser.

I really hope ww3 doesn't start from this.

Hopefully the military refuses to go along with any actions that would start such a conflict.

[The Parkus Empire]

Even Britain didn't expel every Russian diplomat.

Well I would. Russia should be diplomatically isolated

That would be very unfortunate for any Americans in Russia

[San Lumen]

Why elsewhere? I dont see any reason why other countries would suddenly feel the urge to enter American consulates and embassies.

Because us raiding a foreign country's embassies would send the message that we don't respect diplomatic immunity and national sovereignty.

I disagree. It would say to Russia you violate our sovereignty we wont respect yours.

[Jerzylvania]

At the direction of Trump, using campaign funds, is the current thinking I believe. Though my information might be out of date.

Latest information on the above specific point, as far as I can tell (and apologies for reaching a few pages back in this thread, but I was scanning the reaction to the stormy weather):

Meanwhile, Avenatti dropped a minor bombshell (and one that's probably not getting quite as much attention as it should). We already knew that while Trump lawyer Michael Cohen claimed to be negotiating with Daniels on behalf of a non-Trump shell corporation called "Essential Consultants," he was using his Trump Organization e-mail address. What Avenatti added on Sunday night was a copy of the letter that Daniels' then-attorney Keith Davidson sent to Cohen to complete the transaction. That letter was sent to Trump Tower, and addressed to "Michael Cohen, Executive Vice President and Special Counsel to Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization." In short, it is now almost impossible for Cohen to argue that he was not working in an official capacity on behalf of the then-candidate.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2018/S ... tml#item-1

So, to review: That's a creepy spanking, an almost certain violation of campaign finance law, the potential for the President's counsel to be indicted and to flip, an abuse of power, the possibility that more dirt is coming, and the likelihood that all of this is a budding national security crisis. Sarah Huckabee Sanders is definitely going to earn her paycheck this week.

I believe the underlined portion is by far the most dangerous aspect for President Trump.