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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:46 pm

These forums are about as close as I get to social media, besides watching Youtube videos sometimes.

Facebook and so on just never really appealed to me.

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Postby Ism » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:29 pm

Albrenia wrote:These forums are about as close as I get to social media, besides watching Youtube videos sometimes.

Facebook and so on just never really appealed to me.


I share this sentiment, though from the sound of it I might watch more videos on Youtube. The whole nonsense with fake news on Facebook is not making me regret this position.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:31 pm

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Albrenia wrote:These forums are about as close as I get to social media, besides watching Youtube videos sometimes.

Facebook and so on just never really appealed to me.


I share this sentiment, though from the sound of it I might watch more videos on Youtube. The whole nonsense with fake news on Facebook is not making me regret this position.

What aspect of the nonsense?

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Postby Ism » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:37 pm

New Emeline wrote:
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I share this sentiment, though from the sound of it I might watch more videos on Youtube. The whole nonsense with fake news on Facebook is not making me regret this position.

What aspect of the nonsense?


Not sure what you mean. Probably because I'm getting tired. But what I meant was that Facebook and, by extension, other social media platforms, became mechanisms for the mass propagation of propaganda and false/misleading news. For that reason, I am glad that I never payed it much attention, and thus do not regret largely ignoring these platforms.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:39 pm

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New Emeline wrote:What aspect of the nonsense?


Not sure what you mean. Probably because I'm getting tired. But what I meant was that Facebook and, by extension, other social media platforms, became mechanisms for the mass propagation of propaganda and false/misleading news. For that reason, I am glad that I never payed it much attention, and thus do not regret largely ignoring these platforms.

Got it. I mostly go on social media type things for memes and stuff, usually avoid the politics.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:19 am

A $1.3T spending bill has been put together to avoid the now quarterly shutdown issue..

No Dreamers.. though I thought that was sorted by March 5th, even Trump said it would..
Reduced budget for the Wall.. I guess Mexico will need to chip in
More on defence.. who'd have guessed

However..

The bill states that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can do research on gun violence, though not advocacy, an idea Democrats pushed.

Trump will need to sign it off.. Paul Ryan's in whirring gerbil mode.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:34 am

Bombadil wrote:A $1.3T spending bill has been put together to avoid the now quarterly shutdown issue..

No Dreamers.. though I thought that was sorted by March 5th, even Trump said it would..
Reduced budget for the Wall.. I guess Mexico will need to chip in
More on defence.. who'd have guessed

However..

The bill states that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can do research on gun violence, though not advocacy, an idea Democrats pushed.

Trump will need to sign it off.. Paul Ryan's in whirring gerbil mode.


I'm definitely in the interest of looking for the correlation/connection on CDC and its future research on gun violence, which by the way is definitely not because of a lobbying attempt by an organization that supportive of less gun control which I won't say its name.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:35 am

Bombadil wrote:A $1.3T spending bill has been put together to avoid the now quarterly shutdown issue..

No Dreamers.. though I thought that was sorted by March 5th, even Trump said it would..
Reduced budget for the Wall.. I guess Mexico will need to chip in
More on defence.. who'd have guessed

However..

The bill states that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can do research on gun violence, though not advocacy, an idea Democrats pushed.

Trump will need to sign it off.. Paul Ryan's in whirring gerbil mode.


That's literally already what they can do lol, the Democrats don't even know what the fuck they're talking about anymore.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:35 am

For the moment it seems like Trump is onboard with the spending bill. But that's two days McConnell and Ryan have to keep anyone else from getting to him with something shiny.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:39 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:A $1.3T spending bill has been put together to avoid the now quarterly shutdown issue..

No Dreamers.. though I thought that was sorted by March 5th, even Trump said it would..
Reduced budget for the Wall.. I guess Mexico will need to chip in
More on defence.. who'd have guessed

However..

The bill states that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can do research on gun violence, though not advocacy, an idea Democrats pushed.

Trump will need to sign it off.. Paul Ryan's in whirring gerbil mode.


That's literally already what they can do lol, the Democrats don't even know what the fuck they're talking about anymore.


Is that right, I thought they weren't allowed to do any research on guns given it was to do with control, including violence and etc - I doubt they've put in a request that is already allowed. It must change something.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:42 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's literally already what they can do lol, the Democrats don't even know what the fuck they're talking about anymore.


Is that right, I thought they weren't allowed to do any research on guns given it was to do with control, including violence and etc - I doubt they've put in a request that is already allowed. It must change something.


No that's what they're allowed to do, the only thing the CDC was ever banned from doing is advocating gun control policies because back in the day it came out that some people in the CDC wanted to cook the numbers to support a handgun ban.

In the years since they've done plenty of things on the topic. Probably the two biggest that jump to mind for me are they established that defensive gun usage is at least as common as gun crime and probably even more prevalent and that suppressors are the only truly effective way to support hearing around firearms.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:46 am

Myrensis wrote:For the moment it seems like Trump is onboard with the spending bill. But that's two days McConnell and Ryan have to keep anyone else from getting to him with something shiny.


I think someone just needs to tweet this to him..

But the issue only rose to a discussion item when Trump made a late-hour push for a deal in exchange for $25bn in border wall funds. Instead, Trump is now poised to win $1.6bn for barriers along the border, but none of it for the new prototypes he recently visited in California.

..with the message 'call that negotiating Trump, you've gone from 25B to 1.6 and none of those shiny toys you visited.. loser..'

That would probably set him off.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:No that's what they're allowed to do, the only thing the CDC was ever banned from doing is advocating gun control policies because back in the day it came out that some people in the CDC wanted to cook the numbers to support a handgun ban.

In the years since they've done plenty of things on the topic. Probably the two biggest that jump to mind for me are they established that defensive gun usage is at least as common as gun crime and probably even more prevalent and that suppressors are the only truly effective way to support hearing around firearms.


I'm sure there's some difference and maybe the article didn't fully outline, but I'm not going to waste time researching now until the bill is signed cos lord knows nothing's set in stone these days.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:19 am

Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:24 am

Albrenia wrote:Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:


They research EVERYTHING.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:27 am

Albrenia wrote:Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:

People who are sick go to hospitals. People who are shot also got to hospitals. People who go to hospitals usually see doctors. Doctors usually give data to the CDC.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Is that right, I thought they weren't allowed to do any research on guns given it was to do with control, including violence and etc - I doubt they've put in a request that is already allowed. It must change something.


No that's what they're allowed to do, the only thing the CDC was ever banned from doing is advocating gun control policies because back in the day it came out that some people in the CDC wanted to cook the numbers to support a handgun ban.

In the years since they've done plenty of things on the topic. Probably the two biggest that jump to mind for me are they established that defensive gun usage is at least as common as gun crime and probably even more prevalent and that suppressors are the only truly effective way to support hearing around firearms.

Technically it didn't stop gun research for near twenty years. Practically, in the political climate that was created because of it, and because of the climate that led to it? It sure as hell did.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:44 am

Albrenia wrote:Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:


I mean, I don't really know where else you'd put it.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:46 am

Valrifell wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:


I mean, I don't really know where else you'd put it.


I would have thought some sort of law enforcement statistics or something, since they deal with a lot of the fallout of both legal and illegal use of firearms. Then again, the whole 'hospitals' line makes sense.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:46 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No that's what they're allowed to do, the only thing the CDC was ever banned from doing is advocating gun control policies because back in the day it came out that some people in the CDC wanted to cook the numbers to support a handgun ban.

In the years since they've done plenty of things on the topic. Probably the two biggest that jump to mind for me are they established that defensive gun usage is at least as common as gun crime and probably even more prevalent and that suppressors are the only truly effective way to support hearing around firearms.

Technically it didn't stop gun research for near twenty years. Practically, in the political climate that was created because of it, and because of the climate that led to it? It sure as hell did.


Yes, I know what the Dickey Amendment is. It's still an incorrect claim, the CDC has done lots of reports on guns and gun violence in that time.

Iirc Obama ordered them to do a big paper on stuff after Sandy Hook and they did yet everyone just kinda ignored it and kept claiming they can't do it.

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Albrenia wrote:Wait, why would the research into the effects of guns be part of Disease Control? :meh:


I mean, I don't really know where else you'd put it.


The ATF could do it just fine, after all they've never done anything silly like declaring shoestrings to be machine guns :p
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:54 am

https://lincolnsoldati.com/time-to-impeach/

This guy is crazy. No matter what Russia did, we are not at war with Russia. Therefore Russia is is not our enemy. So treason is out of the question.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:55 am

The Flutterlands wrote:https://lincolnsoldati.com/time-to-impeach/

This guy is crazy. No matter what Russia did, we are not at war with Russia. Therefore Russia is is not our enemy. So treason is out of the question.


Russia absolutely is our enemy and has been since the 40's.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:57 am

The Flutterlands wrote:https://lincolnsoldati.com/time-to-impeach/

This guy is crazy. No matter what Russia did, we are not at war with Russia. Therefore Russia is is not our enemy. So treason is out of the question.


So what about the other charges laid in that article?

Or are we still stuck on the STOP CALLING RUSSIA BAD?
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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:https://lincolnsoldati.com/time-to-impeach/

This guy is crazy. No matter what Russia did, we are not at war with Russia. Therefore Russia is is not our enemy. So treason is out of the question.


Russia absolutely is our enemy and has been since the 40's.

Are we at war with Russia? Have been dropping bombs and shooting bullets at each other? No we have not. An enemy country is whatever country we are in direct war with. Cold wars don't count. The constitution is quite clear on this.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:02 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Russia absolutely is our enemy and has been since the 40's.

Are we at war with Russia? Have been dropping bombs and shooting bullets at each other? No we have not. An enemy country is whatever country we are in direct war with. Cold wars don't count. The constitution is quite clear on this.


Uh, no. That's not how that works.
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