A lot of people in Unionland feel they have.
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by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:54 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:55 pm
Irona wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:If there anything more ridiculous than hadicapping your own with worker's comp, environmental regulations and child labor laws, while simultaneously decrying any handicapping of their foreign competition?
Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....
by Cekoviu » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:56 pm
by The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:57 pm
Cekoviu wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A lot of people in Unionland feel they have.
I hope Berniecrats can help move the party to the left economically so they don't feel like that. Neoliberals have been a driving force in the party for a while, so it's understandable that they'd feel neglected.
by Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:57 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Irona wrote:Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....
They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.
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by Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:59 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Irona wrote:1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted
One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.
by The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:00 pm
by The Conez Imperium » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:01 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Irona wrote:Its almost as if workers comp, environmental regulations and child labour laws are good things....
They are indeed, and by having unrestricted trade, you are rewarding China for not having these good things, since it allows them to make things much cheaper and outsource us.
by Cekoviu » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:02 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Irona wrote:1) Economics has long shown free trade as beneficial.
2) Trade wasn't unrestricted
One way free trade isn't, all those fools who went on about how China joining the WTO would bring them into the world order and cause them to become freer economically & politically. How wrong they proved to be.
by The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:02 pm
by The Conez Imperium » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm
by Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:03 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Interpreting a law according to the reason it was made is perfectly sensible.
by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:04 pm
by The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm
Irona wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Free trade is beneficial if you hate environmental regulations, child labor laws and worker comp, and want to move our production to where those can't touch it
I mean if all you care about is production. But it benefits consumers, and the wider economy. Comparative Advantage shows that free trade allows specialisation that benefits both sides. Cheap steel from China allows US construction firms to build more, grow more, etc.
by The East Marches II » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm
Irona wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
That is a large portion of it. Its also under the headline of other stupid comments like "two democracies have never gone to war". Ash and trash that should be binned but our political class is asleep at the helm.
No it isn't. The economic argument for free trade isn't based on China liberalising.
by Irona » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:06 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Irona wrote:....
There isn't open borders or unrestricted trade. Nobody knows the impact, because it hasn't been put into place.
Nah, you don't. Its cool though, I didn't mind Clinton talking about free movement with Latin America among those bankers. Wages need to be kept down afterall :^]
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