South Africa: Land Seizure, Plight of the Boers

[Kramanica]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you kind of a neo-Nazi? As I recall you're a Holocaust denier.

No I am not a neo Nazi. I pointed out a hateful and arrogant belief in being a "master race" is wrong. Also why would neo Nazis defend brown Palestinians?

Oh, so you're just a Holocaust denier.

All right, I guess you can be one without being the other.

[MERIZoC]

>people are literally having their homes bulldozed, their farms destroyed, and their land taken, while government politicians outright call to drive all Arabs out of the West Bank

“No ethnic cleansing here”

[Eibenland]

If there's ethnic cleansing, Israel is failing badly at it.

They are because of their racist belief that they are "God's chosen people" and some kind of master race. Its arrogant and messed up especially since they push for "diversity" and mass immigration on other countries while they run a open air concentration camp and apartheid state for the Palestinians.

The refugee camps for Palestinians in the Middle East are actually run by the United Nations.

[Mujahidah]

Pretending something doesn't exist doesn't make it false. You can shove your head in the sand but that doesn't make your denial any more correct.

But we all should really be getting back on topic. This is a thread about South Africa, not Israel.

I would love, just love, to see proof of this.

And yes, we really should. But you initiated this threadjack.

I'm not the person that first brought up Israel. But yes, lets end it here.

[Ors Might]

While this discussion isn’t exactly on topic, it does strike me as weird when people declare Israel an illegitimate nation. As if there was a way for nations to form without someone being screwed over. I can agree that Israel is at times unjustly a dick. But as far as I’m concerned, if it can defend its borders and unite its people, it’s a nation. No matter how it formed.

[Ultramarr]

They are because of their racist belief that they are "God's chosen people" and some kind of master race. Its arrogant and messed up especially since they push for "diversity" and mass immigration on other countries while they run a open air concentration camp and apartheid state for the Palestinians.

The refugee camps for Palestinians in the Middle East are actually run by the United Nations.

Their media which they own 96 percent of(BBC reporters were banned from criticising Israel) and their hateful Israeli lobby organisations like the Jewish supremacist ADL push for it. Meanwhile they have a racist apartheid state and have an open air concentration camp for Palestinians and claim to be "God's chosen people" or basically a "master race" and have racist laws like people with the surname Cohen cant "dilute the blood". Anyway this is off topic and I wouldn't say more as the mods would censor me

[Ultramarr]

While this discussion isn’t exactly on topic, it does strike me as weird when people declare Israel an illegitimate nation. As if there was a way for nations to form without someone being screwed over. I can agree that Israel is at times unjustly a dick. But as far as I’m concerned, if it can defend its borders and unite its people, it’s a nation. No matter how it formed.

If a bunch of white people went to India and set up a made up state and mercilessly oppressed the Indians because there were believed to be white people living there a few thousand years ago we would say that's wrong and its a made up illegitimate state

[Eibenland]

The refugee camps for Palestinians in the Middle East are actually run by the United Nations.

Their media which they own 96 percent of(BBC reporters were banned from criticising Israel) and their hateful Israeli lobby organisations like the Jewish supremacist ADL push for it. Meanwhile they have a racist apartheid state and have an open air concentration camp for Palestinians and claim to be "God's chosen people" or basically a "master race" and have racist laws like people with the surname Cohen cant "dilute the blood"

The Anti-Defamation League, an anti-discrimination organization that also advocates for other minority groups, is hateful and Jewish supremacist? I'm going to move on from this.

[Mujahidah]

Their media which they own 96 percent of(BBC reporters were banned from criticising Israel) and their hateful Israeli lobby organisations like the Jewish supremacist ADL push for it. Meanwhile they have a racist apartheid state and have an open air concentration camp for Palestinians and claim to be "God's chosen people" or basically a "master race" and have racist laws like people with the surname Cohen cant "dilute the blood"

The Anti-Defamation League, an anti-discrimination organization, is hateful and Jewish supremacist? I'm going to move on from this.

The ADL took the rather bigoted position against the Park51 project. They clearly are only in the business of defending people from defamation and discrimination when those people happen to be Jewish.

[Ultramarr]

Their media which they own 96 percent of(BBC reporters were banned from criticising Israel) and their hateful Israeli lobby organisations like the Jewish supremacist ADL push for it. Meanwhile they have a racist apartheid state and have an open air concentration camp for Palestinians and claim to be "God's chosen people" or basically a "master race" and have racist laws like people with the surname Cohen cant "dilute the blood"

The Anti-Defamation League, an anti-discrimination organization, is hateful and Jewish supremacist? I'm going to move on from this.

They claim to be "anti discriminatory" while spread lies and hate against innocent people such as black pigeon speaks while claiming they are "neo Nazis" while support Israel and its crimes on the Palestinians. They are plenty of other examples of ADL being a horrid hateful organisation pumping lies. They also seem to be racist to white people and they support the crimes on Palestine.

[Ors Might]

While this discussion isn’t exactly on topic, it does strike me as weird when people declare Israel an illegitimate nation. As if there was a way for nations to form without someone being screwed over. I can agree that Israel is at times unjustly a dick. But as far as I’m concerned, if it can defend its borders and unite its people, it’s a nation. No matter how it formed.

If a bunch of white people went to India and set up a made up state and mercilessly oppressed the Indians because there were believed to be white people living there a few thousand years ago we would say that's wrong and its a made up illegitimate state

If it was only say, five years old? Yeah, I could see people questioning its legitimacy. But if it’s been around for nearly a century and has fought defensive wars for its very existence? I would say that it’s established it’s legitimacy.

[Imperial Conistinda]

Just like in the case of Zimbabwe. This is clearly going to lead for economical problems, not to mention the abuse of human rights. The UK should have never gave them independence.

[Mujahidah]

If a bunch of white people went to India and set up a made up state and mercilessly oppressed the Indians because there were believed to be white people living there a few thousand years ago we would say that's wrong and its a made up illegitimate state

If it was only say, five years old? Yeah, I could see people questioning its legitimacy. But if it’s been around for nearly a century and has fought defensive wars for its very existence? I would say that it’s established it’s legitimacy.

You can't "defend" territory that never rightfully belonged to you, and Palestine never rightly belonged to the "Israelis" that now supposedly "defend" it.

[Ultramarr]

Just like in the case of Zimbabwe. This is clearly going to lead for economical problems, not to mention the abuse of human rights. The UK should have never gave them independence.

Or set up 2 states to give independence to

[MERIZoC]

Just like in the case of Zimbabwe. This is clearly going to lead for economical problems, not to mention the abuse of human rights. The UK should have never gave them independence.

As we all know, the British Empire had a remarkable record on agriculture. Why, they probably didn’t starve even 20 million people!

[Mujahidah]

Just like in the case of Zimbabwe. This is clearly going to lead for economical problems, not to mention the abuse of human rights. The UK should have never gave them independence.

As we all know, the British Empire had a remarkable record on agriculture. Why, they probably didn’t starve even 20 million people!

Colonialism guys! Its never caused any problems! Like, ever!

[Ors Might]

If it was only say, five years old? Yeah, I could see people questioning its legitimacy. But if it’s been around for nearly a century and has fought defensive wars for its very existence? I would say that it’s established it’s legitimacy.

You can't "defend" territory that never rightfully belonged to you, and Palestine never rightly belonged to the "Israelis" that now supposedly "defend" it.

How does one rightfully own land? No matter how you look at it, all land is taken and soaked with blood. The ancestors of Palestinians did the same. Now they’ve lost and thus lost the land.

[Ultramarr]

Just like in the case of Zimbabwe. This is clearly going to lead for economical problems, not to mention the abuse of human rights. The UK should have never gave them independence.

As we all know, the British Empire had a remarkable record on agriculture. Why, they probably didn’t starve even 20 million people!

Says the communist (according to your profile) your famines killed at least 140 million minimum

[Ors Might]

As we all know, the British Empire had a remarkable record on agriculture. Why, they probably didn’t starve even 20 million people!

Says the communist (according to your profile) your famines killed at least 140 million minimum

Yeah but in their defense, most of that was partly through incompetence and partly through competition with non-communist nations.

[Longweather]

Would lands seized by white farmers in the Northern Cape, Western Cape, and the western chunks of the Eastern Cape at least go to the Khoisan? They're the people that lived in those areas, especially after the Bantu invaded and kicked them out of the east. I'd hate to think this was a much delayed land grab from the Bantu peoples.

[Ultramarr]

Would lands seized by white farmers in the Northern Cape, Western Cape, and the western chunks of the Eastern Cape at least go to the Khoisan? They're the people that lived in those areas. I'd hate to think this was a much delayed land grab from the Bantu peoples.

Exactly according to their logic the Bantus must suffer for what they did to the Khoisans

[Das Volksreich]

As we all know, the British Empire had a remarkable record on agriculture. Why, they probably didn’t starve even 20 million people!

Says the communist (according to your profile) your famines killed at least 140 million minimum

Whataboutism doesn't really change the fact that millions still did starve under the British Empire.

[Ultramarr]

Says the communist (according to your profile) your famines killed at least 140 million minimum

Whataboutism doesn't really change the fact that millions still did starve under the British Empire.

The British did also give Africa and South Asia civilisation

[Mujahidah]

Whataboutism doesn't really change the fact that millions still did starve under the British Empire.

The British did also give Africa and South Asia civilisation

Woah there. Thats a pretty big claim. Are you implying that civilization existed in either Africa or South Asia before Britain came along?

[Ors Might]

Whataboutism doesn't really change the fact that millions still did starve under the British Empire.

The British did also give Africa and South Asia civilisation

By establishing a slave trade.