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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:10 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Otira wrote:That's just amazing.

Yup, don't you just love people? The whites there are under very real threat of being genocided, they should either leave the country or revolt in full force.

Idk about "they're gonna be genocided", but if this article's explanation of the 8 stages of genocide is something to go by, then they might be in trouble...
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:11 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hurts those getting financial gain, forces them to demand the stoppage of what they are doing.


They won't care.


South Africa got along fine despite being the most embargoed country on Earth between 1977 and 1994.

If sanctions were imposed again, the same would happen.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:12 pm

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Kazarogkai wrote:
Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, your shouldn't fuck with people or you will in turn be fucked when they get the chance. Such is true justice.



They should have thought about the consequences of their actions when they were committing the injustices in question as such it is entirely their fault and they have only themselves to blame collectively at large. Mercy is only called for by the non-righteous and depraved when they have lost the whip but never practiced by them when they themselves have it. I've always found that funny. As such I have come to the opinion that mercy is a farce and of no worth mentioning and the only thing that matters is justice both of the more statutory variety and the more pure form of which we call vengeance. And to those who say they didn't personally commit the actions in question; associating with the ones who did the injustice in the first place and being a bystander is the same thing as participating. To put it in more elegant terms via the immortal words of a man you might know "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." That's how I was raised anyways.

I applaud your efforts to punish the long dead colonizers. Mind leaving the ones who had nothing to do with it alone, though?


Don't worry, I got 12 more heartbreaking pictures that will make you go. " Fuck white people" and never mind the genocide.

If mankind is to be judged for collective guilt of ills done by their ancestral past, then all of Africa would burn as it's presently the most tribal and, inevitably of so, the most inter-conflicted of the continents which have all themselves been there and done that. That's not to paint over the ills that was done or legitimate efforts to correct such, but the people who push for collective cleansing, to a people with 0% involvement in said wrongs, deserve the full brunt of justice for whichever one of their ancestors committed a wrong and see how they like it. That goes twice for the people who applaud the end, but merely softly critique method.

The only things that come out of this is the death of the rainbow nation concept. Congratulations. The biggest symbol of co-existence will turn into a firestorm which no doubt will light up warning flares all over Europe, and all the supporters of the social justice cause will have accomplished is removing the problem of a stubbed toe by having amputated ones leg.
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Postby Aillyria » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:28 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Yup, don't you just love people? The whites there are under very real threat of being genocided, they should either leave the country or revolt in full force.

Idk about "they're gonna be genocided", but if this article's explanation of the 8 stages of genocide is something to go by, then they might be in trouble...

At this point, it's pretty obvious the government wants to get around to eliminating them by force. Civil War, a race war, is a near certainty at this point. The ANC has already taken the first strike, the whites would be justified in open revolt.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hurts those getting financial gain, forces them to demand the stoppage of what they are doing.


They won't care.

Why would they not care? They are losing money off of horrible decisions from there government.

They would fight against it.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:31 pm

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Postby Luminesa » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:32 pm

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You're on drugs, man. Sleep it off.

Man, all I’ve had today is a cup of coffee. :lol2:
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:33 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:You're on drugs, man. Sleep it off.

Man, all I’ve had today is a cup of coffee. :lol2:

Laced with acid?
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:33 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They won't care.

Why would they not care? They are losing money off of horrible decisions from there government.

They would fight against it.

...I recommend you read on African politics a bit, Herp. It’s...not that sunny and bright.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:33 pm

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Luminesa wrote:Man, all I’ve had today is a cup of coffee. :lol2:

Laced with acid?

Nope! No hallucin...ohhhhh shoot, here come those dancing pink elephants again...

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Postby Audioslavia » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:34 pm

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I've gone through the thread spoilering this picture when it's been posted and reposted, due to it's graphic nature. Please think twice before putting large pictures of that variety when posting.

Also, don't make me go through and spoiler posts again.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:35 pm

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They cared when the British heard a rumor on WMD's in Iraq. Later proven to be false but still.



I see.

But I don't see how anyone could support people dying like that.

Leftists are Jacobins, Jacobins support murder.



Jacobins where during the French Revolution. As such, your statement holds no relevance to SA being evil like this.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:40 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Why would they not care? They are losing money off of horrible decisions from there government.

They would fight against it.

...I recommend you read on African politics a bit, Herp. It’s...not that sunny and bright.


Money drives decision making. If people are losing money then the government is losing out on tax revenue.

The government will be losing money and the owners of the land will be driven to demand change.

If a thing is unprofitable, they will stop doing it or die.

The basis of capitalistic market will force this.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:42 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Not trying to prevent it and intervene in the first place.

Shows you how useful the UN is.

UN doesn't come into play when people get land stolen from them.

UN comes in when people start dying.

The UN doesn't have the mandate to stop genocide.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:43 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Luminesa wrote:...I recommend you read on African politics a bit, Herp. It’s...not that sunny and bright.


Money drives decision making. If people are losing money then the government is losing out on tax revenue.

The government will be losing money and the owners of the land will be driven to demand change.

If a thing is unprofitable, they will stop doing it or die.

The basis of capitalistic market will force this.


South Africa was embargoed for decades, as is North Korea. When people are dedicated they won't care.

The president sung a song about killing white people for fucks sake.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:UN doesn't come into play when people get land stolen from them.

UN comes in when people start dying.

The UN doesn't have the mandate to stop genocide.

The UN only has the mandate to send strongly-worded letters to people and send peacekeepers... assuming they can be assed to even do that.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:49 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Luminesa wrote:...I recommend you read on African politics a bit, Herp. It’s...not that sunny and bright.


Money drives decision making. If people are losing money then the government is losing out on tax revenue.

The government will be losing money and the owners of the land will be driven to demand change.

If a thing is unprofitable, they will stop doing it or die.

The basis of capitalistic market will force this.


That's not always the case, and lets be fair, even in terms of re-appropriation economics it's not as if South Africa is fielding Hjalmar Schacht in organizing that department.

South Africa is verging on an irrigation/water supply scandal, and if the mostly white companies that control such decide to move or even stop the production, short of immediate aid, cape town and everything north will face a drought. Coupled with a likely famine/economic development that will be akin to Zimbabwe with these policies as there is nothing in the bills that mandate skill or education to the ones who will take over. And industrial farming is neither light nor easy work.

This looks much more akin to Idi Amin which no, did not organise his country with the ideal of capital, but did many actions in spite of it which aligns with the ideals of the ANC's more revolutionary step. He kicked out whites as well as Indians and it had predictably catastrophic effects. We've seen this happen before and it's ugly.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:52 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:UN doesn't come into play when people get land stolen from them.

UN comes in when people start dying.

The UN doesn't have the mandate to stop genocide.

Sense 51' they have.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Money drives decision making. If people are losing money then the government is losing out on tax revenue.

The government will be losing money and the owners of the land will be driven to demand change.

If a thing is unprofitable, they will stop doing it or die.

The basis of capitalistic market will force this.


South Africa was embargoed for decades, as is North Korea. When people are dedicated they won't care.

The president sung a song about killing white people for fucks sake.



Dedicated to pissing away money?

Once they lose there house, or can't buy luxuries anymore, they will grow a heart and demand to stop.


SA isn't NK.

SA is democratic, NK isn't.

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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The UN doesn't have the mandate to stop genocide.

Sense 51' they have.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
South Africa was embargoed for decades, as is North Korea. When people are dedicated they won't care.

The president sung a song about killing white people for fucks sake.



Dedicated to pissing away money?

Once they lose there house, or can't buy luxuries anymore, they will grow a heart and demand to stop.


SA isn't NK.

SA is democratic, NK isn't.

Some people never grow a heart, others only grow it when everything is crashing down faster and faster on them.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:56 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The UN doesn't have the mandate to stop genocide.

Sense 51' they have.

UN Peacekeepers can't fire on combatants unless they themselves are under attack; they can't kill in defense of civilians. This was a major problem in the Rwandan Genocide.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:57 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
They cared when the British heard a rumor on WMD's in Iraq. Later proven to be false but still.



I see.

But I don't see how anyone could support people dying like that.

Leftists are Jacobins, Jacobins support murder.

"Leftists support murder" is a pretty drastic blanket statement. I would be considered a leftist and I think what's happening in SA is disastrous.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:02 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Money drives decision making. If people are losing money then the government is losing out on tax revenue.

The government will be losing money and the owners of the land will be driven to demand change.

If a thing is unprofitable, they will stop doing it or die.

The basis of capitalistic market will force this.


That's not always the case, and lets be fair, even in terms of re-appropriation economics it's not as if South Africa is fielding Hjalmar Schacht in organizing that department.

South Africa is verging on an irrigation/water supply scandal, and if the mostly white companies that control such decide to move or even stop the production, short of immediate aid, cape town and everything north will face a drought. Coupled with a likely famine/economic development that will be akin to Zimbabwe with these policies as there is nothing in the bills that mandate skill or education to the ones who will take over.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:"President Cyril Ramaphosa who in his first State of the Nation address as president promised to speed up the transfer of land to black people, said on Tuesday, that the expropriation should be done in a way that increases agricultural production and improves food security."
http://www.africanews.com/2018/02/28/so ... pensation/
So no, land will not be expropiated to people who do not know how to farm.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:10 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Sense 51' they have.




Dedicated to pissing away money?

Once they lose there house, or can't buy luxuries anymore, they will grow a heart and demand to stop.


SA isn't NK.

SA is democratic, NK isn't.

Some people never grow a heart, others only grow it when everything is crashing down faster and faster on them.
Is it worth the risk?



Considering that it would be compounded by selfish reasons, yeah they would grow a heart really fast.

Or, NATO intervention is still on the table then.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Sense 51' they have.

UN Peacekeepers can't fire on combatants unless they themselves are under attack; they can't kill in defense of civilians. This was a major problem in the Rwandan Genocide.

Canadian UN Peacekeepers during Bosnia said "Fuck that" and open fired on people anyway.

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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:18 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
That's not always the case, and lets be fair, even in terms of re-appropriation economics it's not as if South Africa is fielding Hjalmar Schacht in organizing that department.

South Africa is verging on an irrigation/water supply scandal, and if the mostly white companies that control such decide to move or even stop the production, short of immediate aid, cape town and everything north will face a drought. Coupled with a likely famine/economic development that will be akin to Zimbabwe with these policies as there is nothing in the bills that mandate skill or education to the ones who will take over.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:"President Cyril Ramaphosa who in his first State of the Nation address as president promised to speed up the transfer of land to black people, said on Tuesday, that the expropriation should be done in a way that increases agricultural production and improves food security."
http://www.africanews.com/2018/02/28/so ... pensation/
So no, land will not be expropiated to people who do not know how to farm.


Oh that's what he said? Well, that makes it all work then. It's the same things that were said during the Zimbabwean takeover, and that worked out well.
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