South Africa: Land Seizure, Plight of the Boers

[Kramanica]

You're the one advocating for people to be punished for perceived crimes they didn't commit...

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

If 400 years ago my ancestors took something from someone else they aren't entitled to get it back from me today.

And they aren't entitled to remove me from my home and leave me with nothing.

[Ors Might]

You're the one advocating for people to be punished for perceived crimes they didn't commit...

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

It is when they seize your home and kick you out onto the street.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

Yes it is...

You’d keep Grandpappys stolen gold?

[Telconi]

Yes it is...

You’d keep Grandpappys stolen gold?

No

[Heidi Girl of the Alps]

And I'm telling you that white land owners also had their land seized without compensation. As to what will actually be done with the land I can't say because that part hasn't happened yet.

Ok cool. So like my original post says, "we will see how this plays out"

We don't need to wait to see how this plays out. All you need to to is crack open any book about the Marxist land policies of the 20th century to know how such a policy would play out.

[Aclion]

Ok cool. So like my original post says, "we will see how this plays out"

Economically well see
But racial tension already sucks in SA. This will end badly

Riots and civil wars are generally bad economics

[Borinsa]

You're the one advocating for people to be punished for perceived crimes they didn't commit...

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

It's not like these farms existed previously,
The African inhabitants were originally nomadic, the Dutch were the first to create permanent settlements. It's not really stealing if the people in question never even stayed on said said land or directly used it for anything other than standing on.

[Kramanica]

Ok cool. So like my original post says, "we will see how this plays out"

We don't need to wait to see how this plays out. All you need to to is crack open any book about the Marxist land policies of the 20th century to know how such a policy would play out.

What? You mean to tell me Stalin and Mao's collectivized farms didn't work?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Economically well see
But racial tension already sucks in SA. This will end badly

Riots and civil wars are generally bad economics

True

[Internationalist Bastard]

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

It's not like these farms existed previously,
The African inhabitants were originally nomadic, the Dutch were the first to create permanent settlements. It's not really stealing if the people in question never even stayed on said said land or directly used it for anything other than standing on.

My understanding was that many of the Bantus were farmers

[The East Marches II]

Yes it is...

You’d keep Grandpappys stolen gold?

Absolutely, statue of limitations :^]

[Heidi Girl of the Alps]

We don't need to wait to see how this plays out. All you need to to is crack open any book about the Marxist land policies of the 20th century to know how such a policy would play out.

What? You mean to tell me Stalin and Man's collectivized farms didn't work?

No, that couldn't possibly be what I was inferring could I?

[Borinsa]

If your grandfather shoots up a bank and then steals all the gold and 50 years later the feds are like, "hey, thats not your gold, thats property of the bank/state/whatever", that's not punishment.

If 400 years ago my ancestors took something from someone else they aren't entitled to get it back from me today.

And they aren't entitled to remove me from my home and leave me with nothing.

And since the tribes were nomadic, there was nothing in South Africa to take, there were no previous farms or towns for the Dutch to steal.
If anyone stole anything, it would be the Brittish.

[Telconi]

You’d keep Grandpappys stolen gold?

Absolutely, statue of limitations :^]

Implying you wouldn't try to keep it in any way possible. Statute or not...

[Republic of the Cristo]

I thought that there was some hope for Africa. I really wanted to believe that they could develop just like the west and most of East Asia could - but they can't. South Africa has literally all the tools they need to thrive! Resources, a decent population, relatively decent infrastructure ( that being compared to literally the rest of the continent ), and they had a fully functioning government already established with a long history of autonomy and tradition to back it. I hate forced segregation ( I don't really care though if people just choose not to associate with whoever ), and I was glad that apartheid was abolished - but say what you will of the National Party at least they led a proper state! SA is in worse conditions now than what it had been prior to 1994. And now the ANC is looking to fall into the same trap as Zimbabwe - another once prosperous African state.

* cynicism increased by 14... *

[Borinsa]

Are black land owners losing stolen land bought from whites? Will white land owner who can demostrate a line of ownership be immune from seizure? If not it seems to me that the cause of sezure is the race of the owner, not the history of the land. And if this is the case the redistrbution program is still targesting members of one race for the benift of another.

You cannot justify this and be a good person.

Nah it’s totally okay. Some of these white landowners have ancestors that did really bad things to blacks so it’s justified.

No it's not, you can't control who you are born to.

[The East Marches II]

Absolutely, statue of limitations :^]

Implying you wouldn't try to keep it in any way possible. Statute or not...

Whoa, whoa. I would never advocate breaking the law.

[Free Tristania]

I think the Netherlands should open its borders to the the entire Afrikaner people and stoke some fires in Africa by sending all Africans who are not citizens home. Their countries, who will see their remittances diminish, will then blame South Africa and urge it to moderate its policies. Sorry, we will have to choose in who we would let into our already overpopulated country and those of our own blood (who seem to be the victims of an organised genocide) come first.

[Kramanica]

If 400 years ago my ancestors took something from someone else they aren't entitled to get it back from me today.

And they aren't entitled to remove me from my home and leave me with nothing.

And since the tribes were nomadic, there was nothing in South Africa to take, there were no previous farms or towns for the Dutch to steal.
If anyone stole anything, it would be the Brittish.

Correct. They were few farms to steal previously.

[The East Marches II]

I'm sure this will end positively and the land won't just end up in the hands of ANC big shots anyway.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If 400 years ago my ancestors took something from someone else they aren't entitled to get it back from me today.

And they aren't entitled to remove me from my home and leave me with nothing.

And since the tribes were nomadic, there was nothing in South Africa to take, there were no previous farms or towns for the Dutch to steal.
If anyone stole anything, it would be the Brittish.

I shouldve tried that on the Tuaregs
“Well you’re nomads so your concept of sovereignty is stupid and you should feel stupid”
Wei could’ve kept his leg

[Borinsa]

I thought that there was some hope for Africa. I really wanted to believe that they could develop just like the west and most of East Asia could - but they can't. South Africa has literally all the tools they need to thrive! Resources, a decent population, relatively decent infrastructure ( that being compared to literally the rest of the continent ), and they had a fully functioning government already established with a long history of autonomy and tradition to back it. I hate forced segregation ( I don't really care though if people just choose not to associate with whoever ), and I was glad that apartheid was abolished - but say what you will of the National Party at least they led a proper state! SA is in worse conditions now than what it had been prior to 1994. And now the ANC is looking to fall into the same trap as Zimbabwe - another once prosperous African state.

* cynicism increased by 14... *

Why is Africa failing though?
I hope its just a cultural problem, it would be a nightmare if racial science had truth to it.
I've seen individual black people prosper, so most likely it's just a cultural issue, or it could be all the nonsensical colonial borders.

[Ors Might]

Nah it’s totally okay. Some of these white landowners have ancestors that did really bad things to blacks so it’s justified.

No it's not, you can't control who you are born to.

I was being sarcastic.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I think the Netherlands should open its borders to the the entire Afrikaner people and stoke some fires in Africa by sending all Africans who are not citizens home. Their countries, who will see their remittances diminish, will then blame South Africa and urge it to moderate its policies. Sorry, we will have to choose in who we would let into our already overpopulated country and those of our own blood (who seem to be the victims of an organised genocide) come first.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say the ANC is trying to commit genocide

[Grand Britannia]

I'm sure this won't result in South Africa begging the IMF for money because they are starving to death in two years like a certain other country did.