South Africa: Land Seizure, Plight of the Boers

[Minzerland II]

The fact that land can be resold, and current owners have nothing to do with their original ones?

Christ, let's break it down.

Up until the end of Apartheid, wealth and power in South Africa was concentrated in the hands of the white elite. Land would be passed down generation to generation, blacks never having any opportunity to better themselves economically because they were completely shut out of the political sphere. How did the whites get that land in the first place? Through the barrel of a gun, of course, displacing and subjugating black natives. White land ownership in South Africa is literally one of the most obvious direct legacies of colonialism.

I don't think the shaft of a spear is much different, tbqh.

[Viktorika]

Wonderful.

I hope this will finally lead to Afrikaners getting off their lazy asses after years of countless farm attacks and murders, and finally taking action against these idiotic Africans. I wonder, after the dire situation that Zimbabwe has found itself in, when will they learn that they cannot do nationbuilding and anything similar?

[Aboim]

ANC has showed itself as a highly corrupt and an absolutely incompetent party that refuses to leave the power. So it’s not a surprise the application of discrimination, authoritarianism, communism, fascism, or whatever -ism to stay in the chair. And now we know why Mandela didn’t choose Ramaphosa.

Anyway, this wave of nationalism and authoritarianism will be extremely harsh for undeveloped nations.

[Bakery Hill]

Christ, let's break it down.

Up until the end of Apartheid, wealth and power in South Africa was concentrated in the hands of the white elite. Land would be passed down generation to generation, blacks never having any opportunity to better themselves economically because they were completely shut out of the political sphere. How did the whites get that land in the first place? Through the barrel of a gun, of course, displacing and subjugating black natives. White land ownership in South Africa is literally one of the most obvious direct legacies of colonialism.

I don't think the shaft of a spear is much different, tbqh.

Nah the ANC has guns too now.

[Ostroeuropa]

'We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'
“The time for reconciliation is over.”

White South African farmers to be removed from their land after parliament vote
The motion for 'expropriation without compensation' passed by a landslide
It was brought about by Julius Malema who said white farmers are 'criminals'

White South African farmers will be removed from their land after a landslide vote in parliament.

The country's constitution is now likely to be amended to allow for the confiscation of white-owned land without compensation, following a motion brought by radical Marxist opposition leader Julius Malema.

It passed by 241 votes for to 83 against after a vote on Tuesday, and the policy was a key factor in new president Cyril Ramaphosa's platform after he took over from Jacob Zuma in February.

Mr Malema said the time for 'reconciliation is over'. 'Now is the time for justice,' News24 reported.

'We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.'

Mr Malema has a long-standing commitment to land confiscation without compensation. In 2016 he told his supporters he was 'not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'.

A 2017 South African government audit found white people owned 72 per cent of farmland.

Rural affairs minister for the ruling African National Congress party said 'The ANC unequivocally supports the principle of land expropriation without compensation'.

There is no doubt about it, land shall be expropriated without compensation.'

Freedom Front Plus party leader Pieter Groenewald said the decision to strip white farmers of their land would cause 'unforeseen consequences that is not in the interest of South Africa'.

The deputy chief executive of civil rights group Afriforum said the motion was a violation of agreements made at the end of apartheid.

'This motion is based on a distorted image of the past,' Ernst Roets said.

'The term "expropriation without compensation" is a form of semantic fraud. It is nothing more than racist theft.'

The ANC is increasingly under pressure to speed up land redistribution to help shore up its support among poorer black voters ahead of the election next year.

Parliament ordered its constitutional committee to report back on the issue by August 30.

Botched and often violent redistribution of land in neighbouring Zimbabwe under ex-leader Robert Mugabe left many farms in ruins, and the drop in production triggered an economic crisis that still haunts the country.

White farmers control 73 percent of arable land compared with 85 percent when apartheid ended in 1994, according to a recent study.

'The time for reconciliation is over; now is the time for justice,' EFF leader Julius Malema told parliament.

'It is about our dignity. We do not seek revenge... all that our people ever wanted is their land to which their dignity is rooted and founded.'

http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/ ... 3576c4c0bc
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -land.html
https://www.rt.com/business/420021-afri ... wned-land/

The recent swing into progressive violence and anti-white rhetoric on south african university campuses apparently reaches further than I thought. Doubtless, as much of our own media is thoroughly corrupted by this kind of thinking, we won't see many calls to action on this issue.
The historical justification behind this move is also dubious, as the overwhelming majority of Black south africans are not from ethnicities native to the area, and in fact arrived after White settlers had begun farming the area. Khosians, the native tribe, were practically wiped out by Boers, Zulus, and Bantus moving into the region.

This decision also marks another instance of progressivist rhetoric being a cover for blatant discriminatory action. Also notable is that the Black south african public voted for a politician who alluded to genocide, cheered at his allusion to that genocide, and voted for him to such a landslide degree that a constitutional amendment to seize property for race reasons is possible.

Whether the displaced South Africans will be offered sanctuary elsewhere is unknown at this time. This escalation fits with the trend of growing hostility to whites in both rhetoric and action taking place across the world over the last few years.

In 2014, Genocide Watch began to claim South Africa was in the early stages of anti-white genocide and tracked the trend. The presidents statements in 2016 and allusions to genocide, along with enthusiastic cheers from a crowd, marked one milestone, and this marks another.

Crucial to understanding anti-white rhetoric and anti-progressivism is that these racist actions take place under a framework of progressive thinking and rhetoric, the nature of anti-white racism is often framed as justice or an attempt to undo racism.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oops, sorry to the mod who merged these.

[Reploid Productions]

Oops, sorry to the mod who merged these.

No worries, thread-stitching is a simple enough procedure.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Wonder how much this is gonna help far right Afrikaner groups like the AWB.

[Wanderjar]

Wonder how much this is gonna help far right Afrikaner groups like the AWB.

It'll give their rhetoric a lot more credibility.

[Viktorika]

Wonder how much this is gonna help far right Afrikaner groups like the AWB.

It'll give their rhetoric a lot more credibility.

And so it should. They have been right since day one.

[Irona]

It'll give their rhetoric a lot more credibility.

And so it should. They have been right since day one.

They really haven't, like most Neo-Nazi groups they don't even have a coherent program or ideology.

[Annihitor the Incred]

It seems things are getting a wee bit crazy. And to think they could be considered a first-world country once.

[Minzerland II]

I don't think the shaft of a spear is much different, tbqh.

Nah the ANC has guns too now.

I am not talking about the ANC, I am talking about the past, when the Europeans were yet to colonise.

[Ostroeuropa]

Nah the ANC has guns too now.

I am not talking about the ANC, I am talking about the past, when the Europeans were yet to colonise.

The indigenous tribe to the area, the Khosians, was almost wiped out by Boers, Bantus and Zulus.
Most black peoples ancestors have been in the area less time than White people, and played their part in the genocide to colonize the land.

The Boers are more indigenous than most of the black population of south africa.

[Irona]

I am not talking about the ANC, I am talking about the past, when the Europeans were yet to colonise.

The indigenous tribe to the area, the Khosians, was almost wiped out by Boers, Bantus and Zulus.
Most black peoples ancestors have been in the area less time than White people, and played their part in the genocide to colonize the land.

The Boers are more indigenous than most of the black population of south africa.

That's a historical myth.

The Khosians are a people, rather than a tribe, in the same way the Bantu are a people not a tribe. The Bantu expansion, where the Bantu spread throughout Africa displacing various other peoples, reached South Africa around 300AD. Both Bantu and Khosian peoples have lived in South Africa for millennia.

The Zulu are a Bantu tribe, ever since the tribes founding they've lived in South Africa. From the late 1700's to mid-1800's a period of mass upheaval occurred caused by slave raiding and Boer expansion. Into that upheaval the Zulu expanded their kingdom. It was not a 'genocide'. They were then conquered by the British.

[Taihei Tengoku]

How did the whites get that land in the first place?

By being there? You seriously overestimate how many people were in Africa before ~1900, especially in places like the Western Cape. It really was an empty continent until the last few decades.

[Irona]

How did the whites get that land in the first place?

By being there? You seriously overestimate how many people were in Africa before ~1900, especially in places like the Western Cape. It really was an empty continent until the last few decades.

Empty is a bit of an overstatement. There was lots of land, but the idea that Europeans just 'turned up' and set up shop without doing any damage is inaccurate.

[Taihei Tengoku]

By being there? You seriously overestimate how many people were in Africa before ~1900, especially in places like the Western Cape. It really was an empty continent until the last few decades.

Empty is a bit of an overstatement. There was lots of land, but the idea that Europeans just 'turned up' and set up shop without doing any damage is inaccurate.

France and Germany had more people than the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa in 1900.

[Irona]

Empty is a bit of an overstatement. There was lots of land, but the idea that Europeans just 'turned up' and set up shop without doing any damage is inaccurate.

France and Germany had more people than the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa in 1900.

And?

[Auze]

Two of the official languages (including the primary one, Afrikaans) are white in origin.

[Ostroeuropa]

France and Germany had more people than the entirety of sub-Saharan Africa in 1900.

And?

It does kind of suggest it should have been shared more, but nations don't do that sort of thing, hence war.

[Irona]

And?

It does kind of suggest it should have been shared more, but nations don't do that sort of thing, hence war.

So if taking the land without compensation was legitimate then, why isn't it now? If that's seriously your argument.

[Taihei Tengoku]

It means a lot of so-called "land claims" are unenforceable because a few hundred people will claim an area the size of New Jersey as "their land." If squatters are the good guys in Europe against bad land claims of absentee owners why aren't they morally justified against bad land claims in Africa?

[Irona]

It means a lot of so-called "land claims" are unenforceable because a few hundred people will claim an area the size of New Jersey as "their land." If squatters are the good guys in Europe against bad land claims of absentee owners why aren't they morally justified against bad land claims in Africa?

This is land re-distribution, not returning land to individuals via land claims.

[Auze]

It's almost like one got tons of investment and trade with the US and the other got a military coup backed by the US.

Yeah, South Korea never had any coups or anything lol

Two: the May 16 coup, and the Coup d'état of December Twelfth.