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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:37 pm

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Were not discussing election reform though.

I didnt say we were but you the post was in reply to something you wrote about election reform earlier in the thread.


No. It's about respecting diverse cultures and not being assholes to people different than you.
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Postby Sirocca » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:37 pm

Diversity and multiculturalism in itself is not a strength, rather it is just a buzzword that powerful businesses and groups speak to the masses in order to be "cool".

Then there are those who are coming in to the border of other countries with higher birth rates that seemingly will replace a lot of the native populations.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I didnt say we were but you the post was in reply to something you wrote about election reform earlier in the thread.


No. It's about respecting diverse cultures and not being assholes to people different than you.


Which your state does. if you want to debate election reform I will do it in the proper thread
Sirocca wrote:Diversity and multiculturalism in itself is not a strength, rather it is just a buzzword that powerful businesses and groups speak to the masses in order to be "cool".

Then there are those who are coming in to the border of other countries with higher birth rates that seemingly will replace a lot of the native populations.


What do you mean by a buzzword to sound cool?

You make it sound like there is a invasion and some sort of conspiracy going on. Some groups are having less children. who cares?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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No. It's about respecting diverse cultures and not being assholes to people different than you.


Which your state does. if you want to debate election reform I will do it in the proper thread
Sirocca wrote:Diversity and multiculturalism in itself is not a strength, rather it is just a buzzword that powerful businesses and groups speak to the masses in order to be "cool".

Then there are those who are coming in to the border of other countries with higher birth rates that seemingly will replace a lot of the native populations.


What do you mean by a buzzword to sound cool?

You make it sound like there is a invasion and some sort of conspiracy going on. Some groups are having less children. who cares?


Almost as well as the Third Reich.

Judging by how often you bring up white people becoming a minority, you seem to be one who cares.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Which your state does. if you want to debate election reform I will do it in the proper thread

What do you mean by a buzzword to sound cool?

You make it sound like there is a invasion and some sort of conspiracy going on. Some groups are having less children. who cares?


Almost as well as the Third Reich.

Judging by how often you bring up white people becoming a minority, you seem to be one who cares.


You do not live in a dictatorship. I will say again if you want to debate this topic i will discuss it in the proper thread.

and contrary to what you might think i could care less about white people becoming a minority

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Almost as well as the Third Reich.

Judging by how often you bring up white people becoming a minority, you seem to be one who cares.


You do not live in a dictatorship. I will say again if you want to debate this topic i will discuss it in the proper thread.

and contrary to what you might think i could care less about white people becoming a minority


Irrelevant. Is the diversity thread not the proper thread for discussing diversity?

Then why bring it up so often?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You do not live in a dictatorship. I will say again if you want to debate this topic i will discuss it in the proper thread.

and contrary to what you might think i could care less about white people becoming a minority


Irrelevant. Is the diversity thread not the proper thread for discussing diversity?

Then why bring it up so often?

Yes but you are talking about elections and somehow being oppressed by your state not diversity.

I dont

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Irrelevant. Is the diversity thread not the proper thread for discussing diversity?

Then why bring it up so often?

Yes but you are talking about elections and somehow being oppressed by your state not diversity.

I dont


So a government's attitude towards particular demographics isnt relative to diversity and multiculturalism?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes but you are talking about elections and somehow being oppressed by your state not diversity.

I dont


So a government's attitude towards particular demographics isnt relative to diversity and multiculturalism?

And how does California oppress people or have bad attitude towards certain demographics?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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So a government's attitude towards particular demographics isnt relative to diversity and multiculturalism?

And how does California oppress people or have bad attitude towards certain demographics?


I'm sure you could dig up any of the various times I've answered this question. Or just not ask it since you Lready know the answer.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And how does California oppress people or have bad attitude towards certain demographics?


I'm sure you could dig up any of the various times I've answered this question. Or just not ask it since you Lready know the answer.


Yeah its about something totally irrelevant and somehow comparable to someone from Burma or Uzbekistan

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm sure you could dig up any of the various times I've answered this question. Or just not ask it since you Lready know the answer.


Yeah its about something totally irrelevant and somehow comparable to someone from Burma or Uzbekistan

Making it harder to exercise ones constitutional rights is irrelevant? Odd position for you to take.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm sure you could dig up any of the various times I've answered this question. Or just not ask it since you Lready know the answer.


Yeah its about something totally irrelevant and somehow comparable to someone from Burma or Uzbekistan


While it might upset you to hear this, cultures you dislike are still cultures.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah its about something totally irrelevant and somehow comparable to someone from Burma or Uzbekistan


While it might upset you to hear this, cultures you dislike are still cultures.


Yes but you are not oppressed like someone from Uzbekistan, Sudan or Eritrea. Your plight is nothing like someone from there.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
While it might upset you to hear this, cultures you dislike are still cultures.


Yes but you are not oppressed like someone from Uzbekistan, Sudan or Eritrea. Your plight is nothing like someone from there.

Why does something have to be exactly like something from those countries? How are you defining oppression?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:32 pm

Ors Might wrote:
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Yes but you are not oppressed like someone from Uzbekistan, Sudan or Eritrea. Your plight is nothing like someone from there.

Why does something have to be exactly like something from those countries? How are you defining oppression?


Because their are the literal definition of oppression. There is no free press, assembly, freedom of religion or speech. Elections are total shams and completely meaningless. In Eritrea they have never been held.

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why does something have to be exactly like something from those countries? How are you defining oppression?


Because their are the literal definition of oppression. There is no free press, assembly, freedom of religion or speech. Elections are total shams and completely meaningless. In Eritrea they have never been held.

Define oppression. Right now you’re just throwing the word around.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:45 pm

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Because their are the literal definition of oppression. There is no free press, assembly, freedom of religion or speech. Elections are total shams and completely meaningless. In Eritrea they have never been held.

Define oppression. Right now you’re just throwing the word around.

i just did

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why does something have to be exactly like something from those countries? How are you defining oppression?


Because their are the literal definition of oppression. There is no free press, assembly, freedom of religion or speech. Elections are total shams and completely meaningless. In Eritrea they have never been held.

The right to bear arms is deemed a right for a reason, because the lack thereof is oppression, even if you don't consider it as severe as those other things.
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Postby Ors Might » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Define oppression. Right now you’re just throwing the word around.

i just did

No you haven’t. Oppression isn’t just lacking those things. Hell, you don’t need democracy to not be oppressed.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:16 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:i just did

No you haven’t. Oppression isn’t just lacking those things. Hell, you don’t need democracy to not be oppressed.


The association of freedom and democracy as somehow being one and the same annoys me greatly.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:18 am

Sirocca wrote:Diversity and multiculturalism in itself is not a strength, rather it is just a buzzword that powerful businesses and groups speak to the masses in order to be "cool".


Yeah, you are basically right. Diversity and multiculturalism are basically overrated nonsense. Racism and bigotry are probably worse, but we can still insist that immigrants assimilate into our culture and follow our laws without embracing racist nonsense.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:21 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah its about something totally irrelevant and somehow comparable to someone from Burma or Uzbekistan

Making it harder to exercise ones constitutional rights is irrelevant? Odd position for you to take.


The US Constitution is simply a legal document created by fallible human beings. Why do some people act as if it were infallible holy scripture? :roll:

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:23 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Making it harder to exercise ones constitutional rights is irrelevant? Odd position for you to take.


The US Constitution is simply a legal document created by fallible human beings. Why do some people act as if it were infallible holy scripture? :roll:

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Hammer Britannia wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
The US Constitution is simply a legal document created by fallible human beings. Why do some people act as if it were infallible holy scripture? :roll:

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