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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:17 am

Oppression can refer to a less overtly malicious pattern of subjugation, although in many ways this social oppression represents a particularly insidious and ruthlessly effective form of manipulation and control. In this instance, the subordination and injustices do not afflict everyone—instead it targets specific groups of people for restrictions, ridicule, and marginalization. No universally accepted term has yet emerged to describe this variety of oppression, although some scholars will parse the multiplicity of factors into a handful of categories, e.g., social (or sociocultural) oppression; institutional (or legal) oppression; and economic oppression.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:22 am

Estanglia wrote:
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They claim their state government and government in general is oppressive on guns which is all they seem to care about despite that government being elected in a free and fair election


Freely and fairly elected governments can still be oppressive. And that isn't comparing themselves to Eritreans.


That is true in a way.

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Postby Post War America » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Freely and fairly elected governments can still be oppressive. And that isn't comparing themselves to Eritreans.


That is true in a way.


For example, the Hungarian government was freely and fairly elected, and still is.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:34 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That is true in a way.


For example, the Hungarian government was freely and fairly elected, and still is.


That depends on your definition of free and fair. Orban has made it so there is no independence of the courts, drawn parliamentary districts so his party cannot lose their supermajority, destroyed the free press and cracked down on his opposition to the point where they are not much of viable opposition at this point.

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Postby Jolthig » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:40 am

Entering Chinatown here in philly
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:46 am

Jolthig wrote:Entering Chinatown here in philly


Ive been to Philadelphia and never went there. Many cities in the US have a Chinatown. I think London and Toronto have one too.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Entering Chinatown here in philly


Ive been to Philadelphia and never went there. Many cities in the US have a Chinatown.

It's awesome to experience multiculturalism for yourself. :)
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:47 am

I saw a group of people meditating together as well. They might've been Buddhists
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
For example, the Hungarian government was freely and fairly elected, and still is.


That depends on your definition of free and fair. Orban has made it so there is no independence of the courts, drawn parliamentary districts so his party cannot lose their supermajority, destroyed the free press and cracked down on his opposition to the point where they are not much of viable opposition at this point.


What's wrong with that? He was elected by his people.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:59 am

Jolthig wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ive been to Philadelphia and never went there. Many cities in the US have a Chinatown.

It's awesome to experience multiculturalism for yourself. :)

I agree
Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That depends on your definition of free and fair. Orban has made it so there is no independence of the courts, drawn parliamentary districts so his party cannot lose their supermajority, destroyed the free press and cracked down on his opposition to the point where they are not much of viable opposition at this point.


What's wrong with that? He was elected by his people.


And then transformed the government into a de facto dictatorship where his party cannot be voted out of office

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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Jolthig wrote:It's awesome to experience multiculturalism for yourself. :)

I agree
Telconi wrote:
What's wrong with that? He was elected by his people.


And then transformed the government into a de facto dictatorship where his party cannot be voted out of office


Uh huh...
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:07 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree

And then transformed the government into a de facto dictatorship where his party cannot be voted out of office


Uh huh...


And your the expert on politics now?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:08 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh huh...


And your the expert on politics now?


Well that took a bit of a jump...
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Jolthig wrote:It's awesome to experience multiculturalism for yourself. :)

I agree
Telconi wrote:
What's wrong with that? He was elected by his people.


And then transformed the government into a de facto dictatorship where his party cannot be voted out of office

Then that’s what the people freely voted for.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:22 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree

And then transformed the government into a de facto dictatorship where his party cannot be voted out of office

Then that’s what the people freely voted for.


No they didnt vote for someone to create a de facto dictatorship

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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Then that’s what the people freely voted for.


No they didnt vote for someone to create a de facto dictatorship


How do you know?
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-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:23 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Then that’s what the people freely voted for.


No they didnt vote for someone to create a de facto dictatorship

They voted for him, did they not?
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:26 am

If the people don't want it then they should vote them out then... in 3 years where the opposition is divided as hell and the current part has a 30+ point lead against their closest "opponent."

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:26 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No they didnt vote for someone to create a de facto dictatorship

They voted for him, did they not?


Yes but the last election was neither free nor fair. The opposition parties are a joke as Orban has decimated them,. They have little to no support outside Budapest. The gerrymandering in the Parliament is such that it is all but impossible for his party to be voted out or lose their supermajority.
Its such a gerrymander it would make Republicans envious and wish they could get away with here.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:They voted for him, did they not?


Yes but the last election was neither free nor fair. The opposition parties are a joke as Orban has decimated them,. They have little to no support outside Budapest. The gerrymandering in the Parliament is such that it is all but impossible for his party to be voted out or lose their supermajority.
Its such a gerrymander it would make Republicans envious and wish they could get away with here.

Prove it.

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:30 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:They voted for him, did they not?


Yes but the last election was neither free nor fair. The opposition parties are a joke as Orban has decimated them,. They have little to no support outside Budapest. The gerrymandering in the Parliament is such that it is all but impossible for his party to be voted out or lose their supermajority.
Its such a gerrymander it would make Republicans envious and wish they could get away with here.

Uh huh. Could you expand on the “little to no support outside of Budapest”? That doesn’t really tell us whether or not the majority of his nation approves of him without better sources or some accurate polls.

But let’s say, for the sake of a hypothetical, that a nation freely elected someone who turned into a de facto dictator and yet still supported them. Would you respect that?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:32 am

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yes but the last election was neither free nor fair. The opposition parties are a joke as Orban has decimated them,. They have little to no support outside Budapest. The gerrymandering in the Parliament is such that it is all but impossible for his party to be voted out or lose their supermajority.
Its such a gerrymander it would make Republicans envious and wish they could get away with here.

Prove it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hung ... y_election
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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:34 am


That doesn't prove anything. And by the way, the people still support the current government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... y_election

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:34 am

Dresderstan wrote:

That doesn't prove anything. And by the way, the people still support the current government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... y_election

and part of that is due to the opposition being so fractured and having no real base anymore

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:35 am

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:That doesn't prove anything. And by the way, the people still support the current government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... y_election

and part of that is due to the opposition being so fractured and having no real base anymore

Okay, that's their own fault, and the people are rejecting them.

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