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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:05 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I don’t have to play a game to understand it, I’ve lived it.


I understand. I wasn't trying to say that. I was just trying to contribute something to Puldania's idea.

Not implying that. I do think it has some potential, but it’s still lacking. As you have many people who can’t find a $9/hr job or don’t start with $1k in the bank.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:06 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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I understand. I wasn't trying to say that. I was just trying to contribute something to Puldania's idea.

Not implying that. I do think it has some potential, but it’s still lacking. As you have many people who can’t find a $9/hr job or don’t start with $1k in the bank.


Very true.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:16 pm

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Irona wrote:History doesn't disappear because there are less white people. It's not about 'allowing'. You would have to create race barriers to KEEP it white. America isn't being forced to become less white.


Europe is the white homeland it should always be white majority is my point. America is being forced because you actually lose your job if you question the diversity agenda in this country. Even our president is mindlessly hated for questioning it and daring to GASP deport illegal NON-WHITE immigrants out of our country.


If losing one's job for questioning diversity is a common thing enough to be impossible to avoid, surely you have a plethora of evidence for a variety of sources to back this up. And tbqh the President of the United States is hated for quite a few things, only some of which could be considered mindless.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:16 pm

Post War America wrote:
Korvale wrote:
Europe is the white homeland it should always be white majority is my point. America is being forced because you actually lose your job if you question the diversity agenda in this country. Even our president is mindlessly hated for questioning it and daring to GASP deport illegal NON-WHITE immigrants out of our country.


If losing one's job for questioning diversity is a common thing enough to be impossible to avoid, surely you have a plethora of evidence for a variety of sources to back this up. And tbqh the President of the United States is hated for quite a few things, only some of which could be considered mindless.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:17 pm

Post War America wrote:
Korvale wrote:
Europe is the white homeland it should always be white majority is my point. America is being forced because you actually lose your job if you question the diversity agenda in this country. Even our president is mindlessly hated for questioning it and daring to GASP deport illegal NON-WHITE immigrants out of our country.


If losing one's job for questioning diversity is a common thing enough to be impossible to avoid, surely you have a plethora of evidence for a variety of sources to back this up. And tbqh the President of the United States is hated for quite a few things, only some of which could be considered mindless.


Not to mention he's also a racist and a xenophobe as is the Attorney General. Trump wants a racist xenophobic immigrant system under which my ancestors wouldn't have been able to enter.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Post War America wrote:
If losing one's job for questioning diversity is a common thing enough to be impossible to avoid, surely you have a plethora of evidence for a variety of sources to back this up. And tbqh the President of the United States is hated for quite a few things, only some of which could be considered mindless.

Let the dead rest


Edit: Saw the mod action, realized that I won't get a response anytime soon, and therefore retract my statement.
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Postby Crazed Pirates » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
If losing one's job for questioning diversity is a common thing enough to be impossible to avoid, surely you have a plethora of evidence for a variety of sources to back this up. And tbqh the President of the United States is hated for quite a few things, only some of which could be considered mindless.


Not to mention he's also a racist and a xenophobe as is the Attorney General. Trump wants a racist xenophobic immigrant system under which my ancestors wouldn't have been able to enter.

I fail to see anything wrong in this.

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Postby Aillyria » Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:00 pm

Crazed Pirates wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not to mention he's also a racist and a xenophobe as is the Attorney General. Trump wants a racist xenophobic immigrant system under which my ancestors wouldn't have been able to enter.

I fail to see anything wrong in this.

Nor do I really, foreigners have no rights to be allowed here if we don't want them. I don't see why people get so worked up about people not wanting more immigration, the country should be worried about taking care of the citizens it already has rather than bringing in more people.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:04 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Crazed Pirates wrote:I fail to see anything wrong in this.

Nor do I really, foreigners have no rights to be allowed here if we don't want them. I don't see why people get so worked up about people not wanting more immigration, the country should be worried about taking care of the citizens it already has rather than bringing in more people.


The US does neither, and its not for lack of resources, but for lack of the political will. The government has decided that instead of taking care of others or even ourselves its much more important to ensure that corporations don't pay taxes, and basic services be cut to the bone.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:20 pm

Crazed Pirates wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not to mention he's also a racist and a xenophobe as is the Attorney General. Trump wants a racist xenophobic immigrant system under which my ancestors wouldn't have been able to enter.

I fail to see anything wrong in this.

And why not? My family came to America from Russian and Romania to escape the pogroms.

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Postby Crazed Pirates » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Crazed Pirates wrote:I fail to see anything wrong in this.

And why not? My family came to America from Russian and Romania to escape the pogroms.

It's not about this. (Okay, maybe I'm a little envious since my family didn't escape anything, but that'd not the point).

It's just nobody has to accept anybody. Why, for example, USA needed immigrants? Because there were a lot of arable land, but not enough people to settle it, so people are worth more than land. You could see the same in Africa (yeah, that's the reason slavery lingered there for a longer time, too), and the opposite in Europe (lots of people, not enough land). You could see the transition from former to latter view in massive landgrabs from Mexican-American War, for example.
So, what I'm saying, is America and Europe don't actually need more people now, even if USA did need them earlier.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:33 am

Korvale wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There were non white immigrants all through history in the Americas especially the US and Canada. In colonial times and all through history.


Yes and those were normal non-white immigration rates compared to now where our countries are slowly being replaced by non-white people.

:rofl: No.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:37 am

Korvale wrote:Haiti is what happens you leave african slaves on their own.

You mean a country that, after successfully liberating itself from its colonial oppressors, was immediately forced to spend decades paying off said colonial oppressors for their lost "property"?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:39 am

Korvale wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
White people are not the only people who are americans.



Whiteness is not "America's identity."


Oh boo hoo, America is one of the last refuges for us european descent humans. It should remain white majority at all cost, I have told you before we europeans are a minority on this planet, there are far more blacks, east asians, and middle easterners than us yet we are supposed to let these groups takeover our country's demography? Pure madness honestly.

It's only pure madness if you already suscribe to the diseased mindset that race actually matters on some sort of essential level.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:40 am

Crazed Pirates wrote:So, what I'm saying, is America and Europe don't actually need more people now, even if USA did need them earlier.

America and Europe have been wastefully overproducing resources for decades. Clearly, it's not a problem of lack of resources to maintain a larger population.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:41 am

Liriena wrote:
Korvale wrote:
Oh boo hoo, America is one of the last refuges for us european descent humans. It should remain white majority at all cost, I have told you before we europeans are a minority on this planet, there are far more blacks, east asians, and middle easterners than us yet we are supposed to let these groups takeover our country's demography? Pure madness honestly.

It's only pure madness if you already suscribe to the diseased mindset that race actually matters on some sort of essential level.


Liriena wrote:
Korvale wrote:Haiti is what happens you leave african slaves on their own.

You mean a country that, after successfully liberating itself from its colonial oppressors, was immediately forced to spend decades paying off said colonial oppressors for their lost "property"?


Liriena wrote:
Korvale wrote:
Yes and those were normal non-white immigration rates compared to now where our countries are slowly being replaced by non-white people.

:rofl: No.


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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:42 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's only pure madness if you already suscribe to the diseased mindset that race actually matters on some sort of essential level.


Liriena wrote:You mean a country that, after successfully liberating itself from its colonial oppressors, was immediately forced to spend decades paying off said colonial oppressors for their lost "property"?


Liriena wrote: :rofl: No.


Just let the dead rest, dude. the guy's banned for two weeks. by the time he's back, he won't respond to you.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:21 am

I'm surprised he hasn't been DEAT'ed.
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:52 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:I'm surprised he hasn't been DEAT'ed.


He probably will be soon. 2 Week Bans aren't anything the mods screw around with. If he slips up again (white supremacists always do) he'll probably be on the outs.
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Postby Socialist Union Of Deutschland » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:26 pm

Cultures is what separates people. So why promote Diversity and Multiculturalism? Anti culture should be preached instead, banning emotional cultures that help "Separate" people.
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:30 pm

Socialist Union Of Deutschland wrote:Cultures is what separates people. So why promote Diversity and Multiculturalism? Anti culture should be preached instead, banning emotional cultures that help "Separate" people.


Culture is as human as having arms and legs. Good luck getting rid of it.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:34 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Socialist Union Of Deutschland wrote:Cultures is what separates people. So why promote Diversity and Multiculturalism? Anti culture should be preached instead, banning emotional cultures that help "Separate" people.


Culture is as human as having arms and legs. Good luck getting rid of it.

bit of a poor analogy. it's possible for a human not to have an arm or a leg. he'd be incomplete, but he'd exist. You literally can't have "no culture". That's literally impossible for any society that is to survive its first generation.
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:35 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Culture is as human as having arms and legs. Good luck getting rid of it.

bit of a poor analogy. it's possible for a human not to have an arm or a leg. he'd be incomplete, but he'd exist. You literally can't have "no culture". That's literally impossible for any society that is to survive its first generation.


Realized that after I said it. But yeah, you couldn't just not have culture. its a concept that can't exist.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:45 pm

Crazed Pirates wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And why not? My family came to America from Russian and Romania to escape the pogroms.

It's not about this. (Okay, maybe I'm a little envious since my family didn't escape anything, but that'd not the point).

It's just nobody has to accept anybody. Why, for example, USA needed immigrants? Because there were a lot of arable land, but not enough people to settle it, so people are worth more than land. You could see the same in Africa (yeah, that's the reason slavery lingered there for a longer time, too), and the opposite in Europe (lots of people, not enough land). You could see the transition from former to latter view in massive landgrabs from Mexican-American War, for example.
So, what I'm saying, is America and Europe don't actually need more people now, even if USA did need them earlier.


So according to you we should close the borders and stop all immigration in the USA and Europe?

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Postby Socialist Union Of Deutschland » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:04 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Socialist Union Of Deutschland wrote:Cultures is what separates people. So why promote Diversity and Multiculturalism? Anti culture should be preached instead, banning emotional cultures that help "Separate" people.


Culture is as human as having arms and legs. Good luck getting rid of it.


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