Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Bienenhalde]

You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat with the new farm bill. Its eaten mostly it parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?

It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older Chinese and Vietnamese people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population, and is in fact gradually happening less and less. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.

The assumption that eating dogs is wrong is merely a result of western cultural bias. There is no logical reason it should be considered immoral. And yes, I am aware that Westernized Asian young people reject eating dog meat. But that simply demonstrates that Asia is becoming more Westernized, not that eating dog meat is objectively wrong.

[Thermodolia]

I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

Ok, but if adult women consent to the practice it should be ok according to you. After all, you did say that ear piercings are ok, so consented fgm should be ok to you too.

Now I feel like I just made a slippery slope. I think I know where San Lumen is coming from now.

But it’s also ok to draw a line. Getting a piercing is ok, getting mutilated is not.

Said cultures that practice FGM should be banned from practicing in the western world.
This is what San Lumen refuses to do, he refuses to say that such cultures should be forbidden.

[Bienenhalde]

There's a big difference between consuming farm raised meat, and killing and eating someone else's pet.

Asians do not kill and eat other people's pets; those who do eat dog meat eat farm raised dog meat.

[Telconi]

There's a big difference between consuming farm raised meat, and killing and eating someone else's pet.

Asians do not kill and eat other people's pets; those who do eat dog meat eat farm raised dog meat.

Yes, I just made that point.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok, but if adult women consent to the practice it should be ok according to you. After all, you did say that ear piercings are ok, so consented fgm should be ok to you too.

Now I feel like I just made a slippery slope. I think I know where San Lumen is coming from now.

But it’s also ok to draw a line. Getting a piercing is ok, getting mutilated is not.

Hence my last paragraph.

Said cultures that practice FGM should be banned from practicing in the western world.
This is what San Lumen refuses to do, he refuses to say that such cultures should be forbidden.

He kinda did, considering his posts decrying fgm.

[Napkiraly]

There's a big difference between consuming farm raised meat, and killing and eating someone else's pet.

Asians do not kill and eat other people's pets; those who do eat dog meat eat farm raised dog meat.

Perhaps not on purpose, but dog napping is a problem in parts of China.

That said the dog meat industry overall seems to be declining which is a good thing. The cat meat industry is hopefully next.

[Bienenhalde]

Asians do not kill and eat other people's pets; those who do eat dog meat eat farm raised dog meat.

Perhaps not on purpose, but dog napping is a problem in parts of China.

That said the dog meat industry overall seems to be declining which is a good thing. The cat meat industry is hopefully next.

Iirc, cat meat consumption was only limited to a few specific regions of China and never as widespread as consuming dog meat. And it is unheard of in Korea.

[Napkiraly]

Perhaps not on purpose, but dog napping is a problem in parts of China.

That said the dog meat industry overall seems to be declining which is a good thing. The cat meat industry is hopefully next.

Iirc, cat meat consumption was only limited to a few specific regions of China and never as widespread as consuming dog meat. And it is unheard of in Korea.

It is however common in Vietnam.

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[Farnhamia]

So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Hrythingia]

It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older Chinese and Vietnamese people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population, and is in fact gradually happening less and less. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.

The assumption that eating dogs is wrong is merely a result of western cultural bias. There is no logical reason it should be considered immoral. And yes, I am aware that Westernized Asian young people reject eating dog meat. But that simply demonstrates that Asia is becoming more Westernized, not that eating dog meat is objectively wrong.

Dogs were in fact eaten by Celtic societies (though not the Irish if the The Tain is good authority) and still eaten in parts of Switzerland often in ham form: Hundeschinken.

[Luminesa]

San just admit you are in a hypocritical position.

I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

So why are you so scared to say that it should be outlawed? If it's considered child abuse, then you need to put your foot down and say, "No, we as a people will not stand for this."

[Luminesa]

It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older Chinese and Vietnamese people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population, and is in fact gradually happening less and less. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.

The assumption that eating dogs is wrong is merely a result of western cultural bias. There is no logical reason it should be considered immoral. And yes, I am aware that Westernized Asian young people reject eating dog meat. But that simply demonstrates that Asia is becoming more Westernized, not that eating dog meat is objectively wrong.

I was moreso addressing the common stereotype of, "Haha Chinese people eat dogs!" which San Lumen jumped to shockingly fast.

[San Lumen]

I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

So why are you so scared to say that it should be outlawed? If it's considered child abuse, then you need to put your foot down and say, "No, we as a people will not stand for this."

Is that not what I said? Fine I’ll say it FGM is child abuse and as a society we should not stand for it

[Telconi]

So why are you so scared to say that it should be outlawed? If it's considered child abuse, then you need to put your foot down and say, "No, we as a people will not stand for this."

Is that not what I said? Fine I’ll say it FGM is child abuse and as a society we should not stand for it

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

[The Land of Home]

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

Comparing Female Genital Mutilation to getting a small hole in your ear is like comparing trimming your toenails to amputating your feet. If you wanted those two things to be analogous, ear piercing would have to involve cutting off the ear and sowing the ear canal shut.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Is that not what I said? Fine I’ll say it FGM is child abuse and as a society we should not stand for it

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

I'd argue that FGM is many levels above ear piercing, friend...

Circumcision on the other hand, there is a lot of conflict over what it is exactly.

[San Lumen]

Is that not what I said? Fine I’ll say it FGM is child abuse and as a society we should not stand for it

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

They are not in the same league as each other

[Napkiraly]

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

Comparing Female Genital Mutilation to getting a small hole in your ear is like comparing trimming your toenails to amputating your feet. If you wanted those two things to be analogous, ear piercing would have to involve cutting off the ear and sowing the ear canal shut.

It is however considered a form of body mutilation among quite a number of people with body mutilation being a strict no no among them.

[Napkiraly]

The best way forward is to have different sets of laws according to ones cultural background (be that based on ethnicity, religion, etc). This avoids the issue of deciding which norms, taboos, morals, etc are to be embraced and which are to be smothered. This is only the real way forward for multiculturalism that prevents cultural imperialism in the long run. Also puts a release valve on clashing value systems.

[Gappinc]

The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

[San Lumen]

The best way forward is to have different sets of laws according to ones cultural background (be that based on ethnicity, religion, etc). This avoids the issue of deciding which norms, taboos, morals, etc are to be embraced and which are to be smothered. This is only the real way forward for multiculturalism that prevents cultural imperialism in the long run. Also puts a release valve on clashing value systems.

Having different sets of laws for different groups never works out well

The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

What in the world are you talking about?

[Telconi]

So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

Comparing Female Genital Mutilation to getting a small hole in your ear is like comparing trimming your toenails to amputating your feet. If you wanted those two things to be analogous, ear piercing would have to involve cutting off the ear and sowing the ear canal shut.

so it's okay to permanently modify a child's body without its awareness or consent, but only a little bit?

[Telconi]

The best way forward is to have different sets of laws according to ones cultural background (be that based on ethnicity, religion, etc). This avoids the issue of deciding which norms, taboos, morals, etc are to be embraced and which are to be smothered. This is only the real way forward for multiculturalism that prevents cultural imperialism in the long run. Also puts a release valve on clashing value systems.

Having different sets of laws for different groups never works out well

The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

What in the world are you talking about?

Havin the same set of laws for different groups is even worse.

[The Land of Home]

Havin the same set of laws for different groups is even worse.

Having different sets of laws for different groups of people sure went well for South Africa, America, and Israel. There totally weren't consistent and flagrant human rights abuses under dejure segregation, nope everything was just wonderful.
All jokes aside the law working differently for different groups of people is just asking for systematic corruption and discrimination.

[Telconi]

Havin the same set of laws for different groups is even worse.

Having different sets of laws for different groups of people sure went well for South Africa, America, and Israel. There totally weren't consistent and flagrant human rights abuses under dejure segregation, nope everything was just wonderful.
All jokes aside the law working differently for different groups of people is just asking for systematic corruption and discrimination.

And attempting to apply one blanket set of laws to different groups of people is just asking for resentment, oppression, and revolt.

See: Yugoslavia