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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
Same thing can be said about piercings and tattoos.

Its a choice. FGM is not for the girl involved.

Neither is a fetus involved in their abortion til' it happens... And although I can grant you that they are not a person, babies in Rome also weren't considered people while being flung off a cliff. You and your kind can keep defecting here, but you will be forced into a corner eventually so I suggest you take a break and actually investigate your principles for a moment.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:39 pm

Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

"Muslim" isn't foul language, people moving into a city isn't an invasion.
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Because forcing someone to marry one they dont love is wrong. Who cares if im white or not? Forced marriage is immoral.


So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?

Al-Islam doesn't support forced marriages.
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So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?


Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?

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Imo that's petty. Eating dogs and "pet animals" is fine.
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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

"Muslim" isn't foul language, people moving into a city isn't an invasion.
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Zex wrote:You and your kind
What's that supposed to mean? :eyebrow:
I changed my statement last second before posting it so as to make it significantly less insulting, it seems the terms I swapped may not carry the diction as originally intended. It's not racial, not by intent, if that is your concern/inquiry.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:13 pm

Topoliani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That doesnt make it right.

Neither is mutilating your earlobe in the name of fashion, yet you don't see a problem with it anyways.

That is ones choice

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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:32 pm

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Topoliani wrote:Neither is mutilating your earlobe in the name of fashion, yet you don't see a problem with it anyways.

That is ones choice

So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:33 pm

Zex wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is ones choice

So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?


No

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:41 pm

Zex wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is ones choice

So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?

From what I understand about about FGM, the difference between ear piercings and FGM are like the difference between circumcision and chopping your dick off.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed.

"I don't want to impose cultural and moral standards but I want to impose cultural and moral standards."

You do realize that disallowing certain cultural practices is what imposing cultural and moral standards means, right?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?


No


But isn't that one's choice?
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
No


But isn't that one's choice?

What if I wanna chop off parts of my vajeje?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:03 pm

Topoliani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But isn't that one's choice?

What if I wanna chop off parts of my vajeje?


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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?

No

Then with the flick of my wrist and the tip of my hat I bid you adieu. I suggest you take my advice, of which I earlier posted. Good luck in holding a position you simply cannot defend and may you one day find ideology or principles necessary to do so; because as of today your defense of multiculturalism is not genuinely done so- as a man would, if they held it with any conviction. Though, at the very least, I must thank you for playing devil's advocate on this issue.

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Postby Zordennox » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:11 pm

Topoliani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But isn't that one's choice?

What if I wanna chop off parts of my vajeje?


That would be very painful, but if it's your culture, you should do it.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:31 pm

Zex wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:"Muslim" isn't foul language, people moving into a city isn't an invasion.
Subjective

Which part? The word "Muslim" or moving into a city =/= invasion?
San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So then you are ok with FGM so long as the female consents?


No

That's hypocritical. Both of them involve someone willfully consenting to a changing their body.
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San Lumen wrote:No

Then with the flick of my wrist and the tip of my hat I bid you adieu. I suggest you take my advice, of which I earlier posted. Good luck in holding a position you simply cannot defend and may you one day find ideology or principles necessary to do so; because as of today your defense of multiculturalism is not genuinely done so- as a man would, if they held it with any conviction. Though, at the very least, I must thank you for playing devil's advocate on this issue.

San Lumen supports multiculturalism.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:31 pm

Zordennox wrote:
Topoliani wrote:What if I wanna chop off parts of my vajeje?


That would be very painful, but if it's your culture, you should do it.

Who said it was cultural? Maybe she just wants to do it.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Zex wrote:Subjective

Which part? The word "Muslim" or moving into a city =/= invasion?
San Lumen wrote:
No

That's hypocritical. Both of them involve someone willfully consenting to a changing their body.
Zex wrote:Then with the flick of my wrist and the tip of my hat I bid you adieu. I suggest you take my advice, of which I earlier posted. Good luck in holding a position you simply cannot defend and may you one day find ideology or principles necessary to do so; because as of today your defense of multiculturalism is not genuinely done so- as a man would, if they held it with any conviction. Though, at the very least, I must thank you for playing devil's advocate on this issue.

San Lumen supports multiculturalism.


Unless he dislikes the culture in question.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed.

You're contradicting yourself. By not allowing x practice, you are imposing your cultural and moral standards upon those who practice x.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:48 pm

San just admit you are in a hypocritical position.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

lovely fantasy story.

It’s an anecdote, you can’t claim it didn’t happen because you have no proof.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:35 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:San just admit you are in a hypocritical position.

He won’t. He’s built his house on shaky ground, and he’ll defend it until it collapses.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:36 pm

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:lovely fantasy story.

It’s an anecdote, you can’t claim it didn’t happen because you have no proof.


He spent a significant period of time claiming a bunch of folks were racist without proof...
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Luminesa wrote:It’s an anecdote, you can’t claim it didn’t happen because you have no proof.


He spent a significant period of time claiming a bunch of folks were racist without proof...

While making racist remarks about Asian-Americans.

Listen, San Lumen, to you this probably all looks like unnecessary bullying and you don’t understand why everyone can’t just live in the world you’ve made. The problem is your world is made of stereotypes. You’ve shown, by your lack of a stance on FGM, that you’re afraid to defend human rights if they mean you have to take a stand against a culture’s ideals. You’ve expressed that you don’t see people as anything except whatever smiling cutouts you’ve probably seen lining the walls of schools. You live in the most diverse city in the world, yet your world is so narrow that I doubt you notice the many different cultures walking around outside your fantasy world. Don’t talk about multiculturalism until you’re willing to face the struggles of multiculturalism, and the perspectives of people outside your immediate scope.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:06 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:San just admit you are in a hypocritical position.

I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:San just admit you are in a hypocritical position.

I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

Ok, but if adult women consent to the practice it should be ok according to you. After all, you did say that ear piercings are ok, so consented fgm should be ok to you too.

Now I feel like I just made a slippery slope. I think I know where San Lumen is coming from now.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I guess it is. That being sad FGM is considered child abuse across Europe and the Americas

Ok, but if adult women consent to the practice it should be ok according to you. After all, you did say that ear piercings are ok, so consented fgm should be ok to you too.

Now I feel like I just made a slippery slope. I think I know where San Lumen is coming from now.


I mean, it makes sense, an informed adult can do whatever they want to their bodies.
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