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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes.


You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat with the new farm bill. Its eaten mostly it parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?

It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older Chinese and Vietnamese people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population, and is in fact gradually happening less and less. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:53 am

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat with the new farm bill. Its eaten mostly it parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?

It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.

I apologize if that came off as racist
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Luminesa wrote:It's pretty racist that you immediately thought "Asians eat dogs!", believe it or not. It is not eaten in most parts of Asia, in fact, and it is primarily eaten by older people, not by the whole population. Eating dogs and cats is a practice that is looked down upon by the younger population. Maybe learn about the people you're talking about before you claim to be their savior.

I apologize if that came off as racist

It was very racist. Do some research.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Topoliani wrote:According to your paradoxical situation, yes.

According to reality, no.


I dont follow sorry.


The follow is that you've just trapped yourself in a logical loop which either ends by you admitting hypocrisy or by you saying you're intolerant and you think your culture is superior and you think your cultural standards should be imposed on others.

Your third option is to think again and say that female genital mutiliation and forced marriage is certainly fine because you're tolerant of other cultures and don't think your own standards are superior, although that comes with its own caveats.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:57 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I dont follow sorry.


The follow is that you've just trapped yourself in a logical loop which either ends by you admitting hypocrisy or by you saying you're intolerant and you think your culture is superior and you think your cultural standards should be imposed on others.


I never said anything about my culture being superior

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
The follow is that you've just trapped yourself in a logical loop which either ends by you admitting hypocrisy or by you saying you're intolerant and you think your culture is superior and you think your cultural standards should be imposed on others.


I never said anything about my culture being superior


So what is your basis on outlawing dog meat, FGM and forced marriage if not the belief that these things are, quote, "abhorrent" according to your own [cultural] standards?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:00 pm

Dog is tasty tho...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:02 pm

Telconi wrote:Dog is tasty tho...


What the fuck is wrong with Californians smh
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:02 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I never said anything about my culture being superior


So what is your basis on outlawing dog meat, FGM and forced marriage if not the belief that these things are, quote, "abhorrent" according to your own [cultural] standards?

For one thing FGM is unhealthy and serves zero purpose.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
So what is your basis on outlawing dog meat, FGM and forced marriage if not the belief that these things are, quote, "abhorrent" according to your own [cultural] standards?

For one thing FGM is unhealthy and serves zero purpose.


Same thing can be said about piercings and tattoos.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Western culture is superior to some other cultures around the world in certain aspects, such as FGM, forced marriages etc which are a load of backwards bollocks that should fuck off and should definitely be outlawed.

Telconi wrote:Dog is tasty tho...

*hides my dog*

Go away.
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Telconi wrote:Dog is tasty tho...


What the fuck is wrong with Californians smh

They've been driven to starvation by the Communist Party of America
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

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Zex
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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

lovely fantasy story.

So there is both a lesson and moral to this historical modern event I speak of, one that even you recognized while lording your superiority over Asians in this very thread, that immigrants bring their problems here (problems of a cultural origin).

There is also the iorny of making the world a less diverse place by ending those same things you see as problematic, i.e. long standing cultural practices.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:16 pm

Zex wrote:
San Lumen wrote:lovely fantasy story.

So there is both a lesson and moral to this historical modern event I speak of, one that even you recognized while lording you superiority over Asians in this very thread, that immigrants bring their problems here (problems of a cultural origin).

There is also the iorny of making the world a less diverse place by ending those same things you see as problematic, i.e. long standing cultural practices.


I never lorded superiority over anyone.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Western culture is superior to some other cultures around the world in certain aspects, such as FGM, forced marriages etc which are a load of backwards bollocks that should fuck off and should definitely be outlawed.

Telconi wrote:Dog is tasty tho...

*hides my dog*

Go away.


See that's the thing, we must, necessarily, recognize that certain practices are incompatible with a society. Un-limited cultural acceptance is not an ideal, or even beneficial, situation.

There's a big difference between consuming farm raised meat, and killing and eating someone else's pet.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zex wrote:So there is both a lesson and moral to this historical modern event I speak of, one that even you recognized while lording you superiority over Asians in this very thread, that immigrants bring their problems here (problems of a cultural origin).

There is also the iorny of making the world a less diverse place by ending those same things you see as problematic, i.e. long standing cultural practices.


I never lorded superiority over anyone.


So why outlaw dog meat?
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Western culture is superior to some other cultures around the world in certain aspects, such as FGM, forced marriages etc which are a load of backwards bollocks that should fuck off and should definitely be outlawed.


*hides my dog*

Go away.


See that's the thing, we must, necessarily, recognize that certain practices are incompatible with a society. Un-limited cultural acceptance is not an ideal, or even beneficial, situation.

There's a big difference between consuming farm raised meat, and killing and eating someone else's pet.

Ones born to die and other one's born to be pie
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I never lorded superiority over anyone.


So why outlaw dog meat?

Because barker cute
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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I never lorded superiority over anyone.


So why outlaw dog meat?
Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For one thing FGM is unhealthy and serves zero purpose.


Same thing can be said about piercings and tattoos.

Questions that will be left unanswered to any satisfactory degree.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:23 pm

Topoliani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So why outlaw dog meat?

Because barker cute

Woofers = good
Moo'ers = food
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:23 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For one thing FGM is unhealthy and serves zero purpose.


Same thing can be said about piercings and tattoos.


Its a choice. FGM is not for the girl involved.

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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
Same thing can be said about piercings and tattoos.


Its a choice. FGM is not for the girl involved.

But what if the woman consents?

Or if, in some cultures, the people force the tattoo onto them?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Topoliani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its a choice. FGM is not for the girl involved.

But what if the woman consents?

Or if, in some cultures, the people force the tattoo onto them?


That doesnt make it right.

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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Topoliani wrote:But what if the woman consents?

Or if, in some cultures, the people force the tattoo onto them?


That doesnt make it right.

Neither is mutilating your earlobe in the name of fashion, yet you don't see a problem with it anyways.
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