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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:01 am

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I still don't see how this has anything to do with cultural change...

Utah also has a law banning housing discrimination regarding LGBT people as well as employment. The Mormon church basically runs the state so the fact it has a law like that shows the church has changed.

No it shows that the state of Utah has said fuck you to the LDS Church
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:03 am

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I think empowering single parents is a great idea. I too would like to know the source of that statistic.


Empowering them to not be single? :lol:


Forced marriage by way of lottery.
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:03 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Utah also has a law banning housing discrimination regarding LGBT people as well as employment. The Mormon church basically runs the state so the fact it has a law like that shows the church has changed.

No it shows that the state of Utah has said fuck you to the LDS Church

They surprisingly have separation of Church and state there...

Granted, it's about as separated as Alabama and the Baptist Church, but it's still separated.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:41 am

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Empowering them to not be single? :lol:


Forced marriage by way of lottery.

How about no

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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Forced marriage by way of lottery.

How about no


But why not? marriage is great.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:57 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about no


But why not? marriage is great.


because forced marriage is a terrible idea and also not the thread topic

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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But why not? marriage is great.


because forced marriage is a terrible idea and also not the thread topic


Have you ever tried it?
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But why not? marriage is great.


because forced marriage is a terrible idea and also not the thread topic

But many cultures have and even celebrate forced marriage!

Are you DISCRIMINATING?
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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:12 am

So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:16 am

Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

Nice fanfic
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Postby Zex » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:32 am

Topoliani wrote:
Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

Nice fanfic

If it helps you sleep at night.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But why not? marriage is great.


because forced marriage is a terrible idea and also not the thread topic


Why do you think forced marriage is a terrible idea? Forced marriage is very commonplace in most non-Western cultures and universal in some regions in the world like West Asia and the Indian subcontinent -- are you saying they should change their culture to suit your white man's demands?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:35 am

Zex wrote:So for the longest time my once exclusively polish neighborhood has been going through a serious mexican invasion here in Chicago. It has led to quite a bit of tension until a group of musl*m started moving in. The community came together just to boycott the muz into bankruptcy and then ran all six of the families out of our neighborhood. Things have been pretty good ever since then. At the end of the day, regardless of your race, religion, or creed, we need to come together around the things that bind us; our shared hatred for musl*ms.

lovely fantasy story.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:37 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
because forced marriage is a terrible idea and also not the thread topic


Why do you think forced marriage is a terrible idea? Forced marriage is very commonplace in most non-Western cultures and universal in some regions in the world like West Asia and the Indian subcontinent -- are you saying they should change their culture to suit your white man's demands?


Because forcing someone to marry one they dont love is wrong. Who cares if im white or not? Forced marriage is immoral.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Why do you think forced marriage is a terrible idea? Forced marriage is very commonplace in most non-Western cultures and universal in some regions in the world like West Asia and the Indian subcontinent -- are you saying they should change their culture to suit your white man's demands?


Because forcing someone to marry one they dont love is wrong. Who cares if im white or not? Forced marriage is immoral.


So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:39 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because forcing someone to marry one they dont love is wrong. Who cares if im white or not? Forced marriage is immoral.


So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?


Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?


Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?


Yes.
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Postby Frievolk » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?


Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?

The problem is that you've been trapped by "societal conventions" and your own hypocrisy. The correct answer is "Yes". And it's actually a good thing. Barbaric cultures should be changed. By force if necessary. Sadly, your paradox of tolerance doesn't allow you to admit it.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?


Yes.


You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat with the new farm bill. Its eaten mostly it parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes.


You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat which is eaten in parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?


Oh no I think it's barbaric garbage that should be destroyed, but that very much is me imposing my own culture and views on the topic onto others.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You dont consider it to be abuse? The United States is on the verge on finally outlawing the import and sale of dog meat which is eaten in parts of Asia. Is it wrong to ban it considering we have Asian immigrants in America?


Oh no I think it's barbaric garbage that should be destroyed, but that very much is me imposing my own culture and views on the topic onto others.


Therefore its wrong to outlaw something so abhorrent?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Oh no I think it's barbaric garbage that should be destroyed, but that very much is me imposing my own culture and views on the topic onto others.


Therefore its wrong to outlaw something so abhorrent?


I don't think so, but I'm an intolerant white male.
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Postby Topoliani » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Oh no I think it's barbaric garbage that should be destroyed, but that very much is me imposing my own culture and views on the topic onto others.


Therefore its wrong to outlaw something so abhorrent?

According to your paradoxical situation, yes.

According to reality, no.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:49 am

Topoliani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore its wrong to outlaw something so abhorrent?

According to your paradoxical situation, yes.

According to reality, no.


I dont follow sorry.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
So you want to impose your culture and moral standards on Hindus and Muslims?


Who said anything about imposing culture? Does the the UK have no right to impose their standards on immigrants to your country?

I dont want to impose cultural and moral standards but some things should not be allowed. Female Genital mutilation is practiced in many African and some asian countries but banned in most of Europe and the Americas. Is that imposing cultural standards?

Yes. These are the cultural standards of the Western world, that female genital mutilation is inhumane. Forcing a country to hold specific standards is not always a bad thing. Female genital mutilation is both unhealthy and painful, and has no health benefits, so because it is inherently bad for you, a country forcing its people to obey a law banning FGM would be inherently good.
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