In what way am i intolerant?
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by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:29 am
by San Lumen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:38 am
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 am
by San Lumen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:43 am
Telconi wrote:San Lumen wrote:sorry but respecting the right to own any and all firearms is a far cry from everyone is equal under the law and no one is beneath anyone else because of their religion, ethnic background or skin color.
Believing your values are superior to other people's is pretty intolerant homeslice.
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:47 am
sorry but respecting the right to own any and all firearms is a far cry from everyone is equal under the law and no one is beneath anyone else because of their religion, ethnic background or skin color.
by Estanglia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:56 am
San Lumen wrote:sorry but respecting the right to own any and all firearms is a far cry from everyone is equal under the law and no one is beneath anyone else because of their religion, ethnic background or skin color.
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by Post War America » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:57 am
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Page wrote:
What does that mean? Is it like, you are allowed to like curry as long as you acknowledge hot dogs as the GOAT?
Acknowledge your American first and foremost, and uphold the American social norms over foreign ones. Basically if your from very conservative countries, acknowledge women’s right to vote, etc. Basically if from very socialist countries, tolerate capitalism, etc.
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by Thanatttynia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:41 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I think your assessment of the general trend towards secularism is correct. The problem as I see it for people who support state secularism is that our own state church is so toothless and anodyne that people don't notice its influence (which would be difficult to separate from what is simply culture/tradition in any case) and therefore are apathetic/non-supportive about changes to its status til, as you said, they see harm in a specific practice arising from it. But then apathy is a problem for all causes, so it's not necessarily specific to this.
My own feeling is that we are going to see a swerve away from secularism at some point in the near future, such that it may be wise to institute some kinds of legal protections for non-religious people from religion whilst we are as secular as we are now. I don't think the threat is so grave that laicité is necessary (as I feel it impedes personal freedom without a real need to do so) but it's an interesting idea.
Secularism in law and practice is a seperate matter from secularism in institutions. I don't think people care about the status of the Anglican church, especially given its movements and overtures toward atheist-Christianity (Which is actually the second largest "Religion" in the UK after Atheism.) (2% of anglican clergy are openly atheist, the archbishop of cantebury identifies as agnostic, and so on. Many of their churches are basically sermons on secular humanism and how to be good people in that sense. Some of the higher bishops have argued Anglicanism is an evolving moral discourse and not necessarily tied to belief in god, that the core belief of the church is its own fallibility and need for constant change and improvement. I'd argue this is a result of their temporal involvement, in order to stay relevant and institutionalized for the forseeable future, they need to consider this direction. Most of their flock doesn't believe in god, but attend church for these reasons, and they need to keep them around.)
We're not likely to swerve away from Secularism unless there is a mass migration explosion of around ten or twenty times the current amount arriving.
Why do you think we'll move away from it? If anything, the growth of Atheism and secularism will see it become a more prominent issue as the elites continue to ignore the will of the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
Phillip Pullman is an "Anglican Atheist" and his book series His Dark Materials might (and it would make me so joyful if it did) provoke more of this. Bishops have discussed it and the aforementioned "Anglican atheist" and atheist-christianity tolerating bishops have read it and reacted.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/10/arts.booksIn a private address to religious leaders and academics at Downing Street on Monday night, Dr Williams even went so far as to suggest that study of the Pullman trilogy could form part of schools' religious education syllabuses. Such praise is a far cry from the Association of Christian Teachers, who have condemned it as shameless blasphemy.
If you know about the series, then you know why this is shocking. It's a christian-atheism series with undertones of doing away with god now he has served his purpose and is no longer necessary.
(Dr Willians is the archbishop of canterbury.)
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:56 pm
San Lumen wrote:Alvecia wrote:Straight off the top of my head, there are long term risks if it's botched, as with all surgery. and I don't think anyone would argue that all surgeries are 100% successful.
Is it worth potentially irreparably mutilating a child's penis for minimal, arguably even insignificant, potential benefits.
all surgery carries risk. Its a tradition in Judaism. Plus not being circumcised can lead to infections and other health problems later. There are no ill effect as far as i know.
by San Lumen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:02 pm
Estanglia wrote:San Lumen wrote:I never said my values were superior
Well;San Lumen wrote:sorry but respecting the right to own any and all firearms is a far cry from everyone is equal under the law and no one is beneath anyone else because of their religion, ethnic background or skin color.
It seems like you're valuing your priorities above Telconi's.
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:19 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:32 pm
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Telconi wrote:
Well, we're not Romans, we're Americans, and so I would say it's doing as Americans do.
Eh, I guess that's more accurate, considering that America doesn't do assimilation.San Lumen wrote:I dont see how.
They're saying that you think that your values of racial and religious equality are above Telconi's values of gun rights.
by Diarcesia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:49 pm
Telconi wrote:Kubumba Tribe wrote:Eh, I guess that's more accurate, considering that America doesn't do assimilation.
They're saying that you think that your values of racial and religious equality are above Telconi's values of gun rights.
I would assert that the integral value if what Americans should be is to be tolerant of other people.
When I'm at my buddy Ali's business, and he gets called to prayer, I wait, because that's his belief and it's important to him. Likewise, when a religious observance of mine inconveniences him, he waits, because it's important to me. While our faiths are different, we share the cultural identity of tolerant Americans. That makes him and me more "American" in my book than some WASP who's family has been here forty trillion generations and thinks people with turbans are dirty terrorists.
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:53 pm
Diarcesia wrote:Telconi wrote:
I would assert that the integral value if what Americans should be is to be tolerant of other people.
When I'm at my buddy Ali's business, and he gets called to prayer, I wait, because that's his belief and it's important to him. Likewise, when a religious observance of mine inconveniences him, he waits, because it's important to me. While our faiths are different, we share the cultural identity of tolerant Americans. That makes him and me more "American" in my book than some WASP who's family has been here forty trillion generations and thinks people with turbans are dirty terrorists.
Was there a time in American history where people were debating whether they should go for the "melting pot" or "nation-state" route (I'm not sure if the civil war can be considered as one)? I'm under the impression that right at the beginning, they choose the former to glue the thirteen colonies together.
by San Lumen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:38 pm
Telconi wrote:Kubumba Tribe wrote:Eh, I guess that's more accurate, considering that America doesn't do assimilation.
They're saying that you think that your values of racial and religious equality are above Telconi's values of gun rights.
I would assert that the integral value if what Americans should be is to be tolerant of other people.
When I'm at my buddy Ali's business, and he gets called to prayer, I wait, because that's his belief and it's important to him. Likewise, when a religious observance of mine inconveniences him, he waits, because it's important to me. While our faiths are different, we share the cultural identity of tolerant Americans. That makes him and me more "American" in my book than some WASP who's family has been here forty trillion generations and thinks people with turbans are dirty terrorists.
Telconi wrote:Diarcesia wrote:
Was there a time in American history where people were debating whether they should go for the "melting pot" or "nation-state" route (I'm not sure if the civil war can be considered as one)? I'm under the impression that right at the beginning, they choose the former to glue the thirteen colonies together.
I think melting pot was kinda the go to, it was basically encoded in our government.
by Kubumba Tribe » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:45 pm
San Lumen wrote:Telconi wrote:
I would assert that the integral value if what Americans should be is to be tolerant of other people.
When I'm at my buddy Ali's business, and he gets called to prayer, I wait, because that's his belief and it's important to him. Likewise, when a religious observance of mine inconveniences him, he waits, because it's important to me. While our faiths are different, we share the cultural identity of tolerant Americans. That makes him and me more "American" in my book than some WASP who's family has been here forty trillion generations and thinks people with turbans are dirty terrorists.
I think we are in agreement here.Telconi wrote:
I think melting pot was kinda the go to, it was basically encoded in our government.
From the very beginning America has been a melting pot.
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:53 pm
San Lumen wrote:Telconi wrote:
I would assert that the integral value if what Americans should be is to be tolerant of other people.
When I'm at my buddy Ali's business, and he gets called to prayer, I wait, because that's his belief and it's important to him. Likewise, when a religious observance of mine inconveniences him, he waits, because it's important to me. While our faiths are different, we share the cultural identity of tolerant Americans. That makes him and me more "American" in my book than some WASP who's family has been here forty trillion generations and thinks people with turbans are dirty terrorists.
I think we are in agreement here.
by Telconi » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:53 pm
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