Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Ors Might]

There’s a difference between isolationism and having a limit on how many refugees you’re willing to take. No one has any obligation to take on the problems of others. That’s what I’m saying.

The issue is that many in the US don't want to help any refugees. I'd be all for the countries the refugees be coming from be better. The problem is that refugees are going to happen, and if everyone just turned up their noses and said "we don't want them" millions of people would die, or worse turn to some form of extremism or another and starting bombing their way in. The simple fact of the matter is that not helping anyone, which is what the US is functionally doing, and not improving the conditions in the home countries of refugees to reduce the need to flee, will result in endless suffering, and likely increased threats to national security.

I won’t argue on behalf of those who want to do nothing, as they’ll only harm the US in the long run. Taking in some number of refugees and helping to stabilize the nations they’re coming from will only help us to maintain the status quo where we’re on top.

[Trumptonium]

The problem then in siding with Trumptonium, is that Trumptonium does not believe that refugees should ever become naturalized citizens.

He would like us to share the standards used in Canada. There, if you are not from the Commonwealth of Nations, you must have a desirable skill before you may emigrate or seek citizenship. That is not the demonic Trump talking, it is the enlightened Canucks and Trudeau.

We all know the Canadians are radical fascists when it comes to immigration policy.

[Post War America]

Because some people have this weird boner for everything Anglo and think it should be mandatory. The worst in BDSM etiquette, really.

Should we tell them that most Americans aren’t of Anglo descent?

That would likely result in either some contrived bullshit to justify a ridiculous position.

The problem then in siding with Trumptonium, is that Trumptonium does not believe that refugees should ever become naturalized citizens.

He would like us to share the standards used in Canada. There, if you are not from the Commonwealth of Nations, you must have a desirable skill before you may emigrate or seek citizenship. That is not the demonic Trump talking, it is the enlightened Canucks and Trudeau.

I'm not entirely opposed to that, though I'd have more asterisks added to it, and given that the US is not part of the Commonwealth, I'd prefer some other set of preferred nations to migrate from (preferably a hemispheric thing or some such). The problem is Trumptonium seems to have much stricter definitions than that (see claims that myself and others like me who natural US citizens deserve to be deported).

The issue is that many in the US don't want to help any refugees. I'd be all for the countries the refugees be coming from be better. The problem is that refugees are going to happen, and if everyone just turned up their noses and said "we don't want them" millions of people would die, or worse turn to some form of extremism or another and starting bombing their way in. The simple fact of the matter is that not helping anyone, which is what the US is functionally doing, and not improving the conditions in the home countries of refugees to reduce the need to flee, will result in endless suffering, and likely increased threats to national security.

I won’t argue on behalf of those who want to do nothing, as they’ll only harm the US in the long run. Taking in some number of refugees and helping to stabilize the nations they’re coming from will only help us to maintain the status quo where we’re on top.

The problem is you are, in many ways, arguing on the behalf of those who would functionally do nothing. Supporting the US in "setting our own terms" at this point is tantamount to supporting the abolition of the refugee program.

[Korvale]

I’m not opposed to give them a helping hand. But we’re doing them the favor, not the other way around. An example of what I mean by “term” is that unless they go through the process of becoming naturalized citizens, then they should go home the moment the danger has passed or at least become tolerable. I personally prefer providing humanitarian aid to taking on refugees.

The problem then in siding with Trumptonium, is that Trumptonium does not believe that refugees should ever become naturalized citizens.

Allowing refugees to instantly become citizens is spitting on the face of people who worked their lives to earn a U.S citizenship. Also why on earth do you want these refugees to not go back to their countries?

[Mujahidah]

The problem then in siding with Trumptonium, is that Trumptonium does not believe that refugees should ever become naturalized citizens.

Allowing refugees to instantly become citizens is spitting on the face of people who worked their lives to earn a U.S citizenship.

Good thing that isn't how refugee status works. Unless you get all of your news from Sean Hannity and Alex Jones, in which case, I can't help you.

Also why on earth do you want these refugees to not go back to their countries?

Because by the time they are safe to return the refugees have set up a life here, and going "home" would be just as uprooting as leaving their home country for the US was in the first place? Its not really that hard to think about, quite honestly.

[Korvale]

Allowing refugees to instantly become citizens is spitting on the face of people who worked their lives to earn a U.S citizenship.

Good thing that isn't how refugee status works. Unless you get all of your news from Sean Hannity and Alex Jones, in which case, I can't help you.

Also why on earth do you want these refugees to not go back to their countries?

Because by the time they are safe to return the refugees have set up a life here, and going "home" would be just as uprooting as leaving their home country for the US was in the first place? Its not really that hard to think about, quite honestly.

They are here because of a war when the war is over they should leave, all you are doing is causing an invasion in disguise.

[Mujahidah]

They are here because of a war when the war is over they should leave,

Not all refugees are because of a war. Not sure if you're aware of that. Also, as I said, by the time the war/turmoil/other event is over they very well may have essentially made a home in the country that took them. I'm not sure if you are aware that things (like wars) can take quite a bit of time.

all you are doing is causing an invasion in disguise.

Yep. You unironically think Sean Hannity and Alex Jones are valid sources. In fact I'd wager you only watch Sean Hannity and Alex Jones. That statement is so on-its-face wrong. Immigration/refugees are hardly "invading" a country, unless you are under the assumption that immigrants/refugees are all part of some conspiracy to enforce some objective for their home countries on the intake country, in which case I can recommend some mental health professionals.

[Korvale]

They are here because of a war when the war is over they should leave,

Not all refugees are because of a war. Not sure if you're aware of that. Also, as I said, by the time the war/turmoil/other event is over they very well may have essentially made a home in the country that took them. I'm not sure if you are aware that things (like wars) can take quite a bit of time.

all you are doing is causing an invasion in disguise.

Yep. You unironically think Sean Hannity and Alex Jones are valid sources. In fact I'd wager you only watch Sean Hannity and Alex Jones. That statement is so on-its-face wrong. Immigration/refugees are hardly "invading" a country, unless you are under the assumption that immigrants/refugees are all part of some conspiracy to enforce some objective for their home countries on the intake country, in which case I can recommend some mental health professionals.

I dont watch either of those people. This is an invasion because its becoming illegal to even question this diversity agenda in the first place. Look our american ancestors werent just allowed onto this continent they had to fight to stay on it, it is not fair to the natives of America or Europe that these people are being made citizens so easily.

[Mujahidah]

I dont watch either of those people.

Oh really? Because you literally sound like you could secretly be one of them.

This is an invasion because its becoming illegal to even question this diversity agenda in the first place.

Illegal to question diversity? Here you are, questioning diversity. I'm assuming you aren't in prison right now, considering you wouldn't have the wifi to post over. Come on now, buddy.

Look our american ancestors werent just allowed onto this continent they had to fight to stay on it,

Most Americans today don't descend from the original Jamestown colonists - they descend from regular immigrants. Immigrants who were mistreated by people just like you, mind you, but thats beside the point. Most people don't descend from the first wave of Englishmen who claimed the East Coast by the power of ball and shot.

it is not fair to the natives of America or Europe that these people are being made citizens so easily.

Citizenship in the US isn't easy. I don't know what fantasy world you are living in, but I suggest you yank your head out of it.

[Korvale]

I dont watch either of those people.

Oh really? Because you literally sound like you could secretly be one of them.

This is an invasion because its becoming illegal to even question this diversity agenda in the first place.

Illegal to question diversity? Here you are, questioning diversity. I'm assuming you aren't in prison right now, considering you wouldn't have the wifi to post over. Come on now, buddy.

Look our american ancestors werent just allowed onto this continent they had to fight to stay on it,

Most Americans today don't descend from the original Jamestown colonists - they descend from regular immigrants. Immigrants who were mistreated by people just like you, mind you, but thats beside the point. Most people don't descend from the first wave of Englishmen who claimed the East Coast by the power of ball and shot.

it is not fair to the natives of America or Europe that these people are being made citizens so easily.

Citizenship in the US isn't easy. I don't know what fantasy world you are living in, but I suggest you yank your head out of it.

Look man back in those times there was no "white race" europeans hate their biases against eachother and that was fine. The majority of immigrants were europeans as North and South America are supposed to be an extension of Europe. Citizenship is a joke in this country we have so many noncitizens living here for over a decade its hilarious.

[San Lumen]

He would like us to share the standards used in Canada. There, if you are not from the Commonwealth of Nations, you must have a desirable skill before you may emigrate or seek citizenship. That is not the demonic Trump talking, it is the enlightened Canucks and Trudeau.

We all know the Canadians are radical fascists when it comes to immigration policy.

No one called them radical fascists. That article on Buffalo will give you some perspective about the plight of refugees. i wonder what your response to it will be.

[San Lumen]

Oh really? Because you literally sound like you could secretly be one of them.



Illegal to question diversity? Here you are, questioning diversity. I'm assuming you aren't in prison right now, considering you wouldn't have the wifi to post over. Come on now, buddy.



Most Americans today don't descend from the original Jamestown colonists - they descend from regular immigrants. Immigrants who were mistreated by people just like you, mind you, but thats beside the point. Most people don't descend from the first wave of Englishmen who claimed the East Coast by the power of ball and shot.



Citizenship in the US isn't easy. I don't know what fantasy world you are living in, but I suggest you yank your head out of it.

Look man back in those times there was no "white race" europeans hate their biases against eachother and that was fine. The majority of immigrants were europeans as North and South America are supposed to be an extension of Europe. Citizenship is a joke in this country we have so many noncitizens living here for over a decade its hilarious.

I hate to break it to you but there were non whites in the Americas since the Europeans began coming over. Try reading a history book sometime or studying demographics you might learn something.

Plus Brazil was never a white country. Most South American countries never were.

[Aillyria]

Oh really? Because you literally sound like you could secretly be one of them.



Illegal to question diversity? Here you are, questioning diversity. I'm assuming you aren't in prison right now, considering you wouldn't have the wifi to post over. Come on now, buddy.



Most Americans today don't descend from the original Jamestown colonists - they descend from regular immigrants. Immigrants who were mistreated by people just like you, mind you, but thats beside the point. Most people don't descend from the first wave of Englishmen who claimed the East Coast by the power of ball and shot.



Citizenship in the US isn't easy. I don't know what fantasy world you are living in, but I suggest you yank your head out of it.

Look man back in those times there was no "white race" europeans hate their biases against eachother and that was fine. The majority of immigrants were europeans as North and South America are supposed to be an extension of Europe. Citizenship is a joke in this country we have so many noncitizens living here for over a decade its hilarious.

If you're under the impression that the States have the same immigration problems as the EU, you are sorely mistaken. We're pretty much safe from anything like the situations in Germany and Sweden coming here en masse.....cool your jets dude.

[Korvale]

Look man back in those times there was no "white race" europeans hate their biases against eachother and that was fine. The majority of immigrants were europeans as North and South America are supposed to be an extension of Europe. Citizenship is a joke in this country we have so many noncitizens living here for over a decade its hilarious.

I hate to break it to you but there were non whites in the Americas since the Europeans began coming over. Try reading a history book sometime or studying demographics you might learn something.

Plus Brazil was never a white country. Most South American countries never were.

I said immigrants not natives.

[San Lumen]

I hate to break it to you but there were non whites in the Americas since the Europeans began coming over. Try reading a history book sometime or studying demographics you might learn something.

Plus Brazil was never a white country. Most South American countries never were.

I said immigrants not natives.

There were non white immigrants all through history in the Americas especially the US and Canada. In colonial times and all through history.

[Korvale]

I said immigrants not natives.

There were non white immigrants all through history in the Americas especially the US and Canada. In colonial times and all through history.

Yes and those were normal non-white immigration rates compared to now where our countries are slowly being replaced by non-white people.

[San Lumen]

There were non white immigrants all through history in the Americas especially the US and Canada. In colonial times and all through history.

Yes and those were normal non-white immigration rates compared to now where our countries are slowly being replaced by non-white people.

And what is normal rates to you? Do you have an issue with Burmese refugees and ones from other countries being settled in the US? There are many of them in cities in Upstate New York and in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Many of them work very hard and eventually becoming citizens.

[Korvale]

Yes and those were normal non-white immigration rates compared to now where our countries are slowly being replaced by non-white people.

And what is normal rates to you? Do you have an issue with Burmese refugees and ones from other countries being settled in the US? There are many of them in cities in Upstate New York and in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Many of them work very hard and eventually becoming citizens.

Normal rates is anything that makes America 90% or 80% European at all times. It doesnt matter if african americans are a minority forever as africans are already at one billion and have an entire continent to occupy. The Mexicans have a decent slice of land to live in so they dont need to outnumber us either.

[Mujahidah]

And what is normal rates to you? Do you have an issue with Burmese refugees and ones from other countries being settled in the US? There are many of them in cities in Upstate New York and in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Many of them work very hard and eventually becoming citizens.

Normal rates is anything that makes America 90% or 80% European at all times. It doesnt matter if african americans are a minority forever as africans are already at one billion and have an entire continent to occupy. The Mexicans have a decent slice of land to live in so they dont need to outnumber us either.

Since when is America a "white" country? You can make that claim in European states, but America never had an ethnically defined identity.

[Korvale]

Normal rates is anything that makes America 90% or 80% European at all times. It doesnt matter if african americans are a minority forever as africans are already at one billion and have an entire continent to occupy. The Mexicans have a decent slice of land to live in so they dont need to outnumber us either.

Since when is America a "white" country? You can make that claim in European states, but America never had an ethnically defined identity.

It was made by europeans for europeans, the natives of this land had small city states so America is not their country its a foreign nation in their home territory. Both continents of the New World are extensions of Europe.

[Mujahidah]

Since when is America a "white" country? You can make that claim in European states, but America never had an ethnically defined identity.

It was made by europeans for europeans,

You self admitted that Europeans were not a unified identity. I hardly believe a bunch of bickering peoples with no overarching allegiance intended to found something for the sake of that allegiance. I take back what I said about Jones and Hannity - you aren't a clone of them. You somehow manage to make less sense then the two of them combined.

Both continents of the New World are extensions of Europe.

No. The various colonies were, at best extensions of their home country, and that doesn't account for people like the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay who were fleeing religious persecution (so, refugees, if you will). There was no overarching European identity by your own admission, so how could all of these colonies (places like "New France" and "New Amsterdam," not "New Europe") be 'extensions of Europe.' The claim is absurd, both from reality and from your distorted perception of it.

[Korvale]

It was made by europeans for europeans,

You self admitted that Europeans were not a unified identity. I hardly believe a bunch of bickering peoples with no overarching allegiance intended to found something for the sake of that allegiance. I take back what I said about Jones and Hannity - you aren't a clone of them. You somehow manage to make less sense then the two of them combined.

Both continents of the New World are extensions of Europe.

No. The various colonies were, at best extensions of their home country, and that doesn't account for people like the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay who were fleeing religious persecution (so, refugees, if you will). There was no overarching European identity by your own admission, so how could all of these colonies (places like "New France" and "New Amsterdam," not "New Europe") be 'extensions of Europe.' The claim is absurd, both from reality and from your distorted perception of it.

The point is America is a white country and so is Canada too. White is another word for European native.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Since when is America a "white" country? You can make that claim in European states, but America never had an ethnically defined identity.

It was made by europeans for europeans, the natives of this land had small city states so America is not their country its a foreign nation in their home territory. Both continents of the New World are extensions of Europe.

They were, but not anymore.
And what do you mean by "outnumbering white people"?

[Kubumba Tribe]

You self admitted that Europeans were not a unified identity. I hardly believe a bunch of bickering peoples with no overarching allegiance intended to found something for the sake of that allegiance. I take back what I said about Jones and Hannity - you aren't a clone of them. You somehow manage to make less sense then the two of them combined.



No. The various colonies were, at best extensions of their home country, and that doesn't account for people like the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay who were fleeing religious persecution (so, refugees, if you will). There was no overarching European identity by your own admission, so how could all of these colonies (places like "New France" and "New Amsterdam," not "New Europe") be 'extensions of Europe.' The claim is absurd, both from reality and from your distorted perception of it.

The point is America is a white country and so is Canada too. White is another word for European native.

No it's not. "White" means anyone of mostly European heritage, not a European native.

[Mujahidah]

You self admitted that Europeans were not a unified identity. I hardly believe a bunch of bickering peoples with no overarching allegiance intended to found something for the sake of that allegiance. I take back what I said about Jones and Hannity - you aren't a clone of them. You somehow manage to make less sense then the two of them combined.



No. The various colonies were, at best extensions of their home country, and that doesn't account for people like the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay who were fleeing religious persecution (so, refugees, if you will). There was no overarching European identity by your own admission, so how could all of these colonies (places like "New France" and "New Amsterdam," not "New Europe") be 'extensions of Europe.' The claim is absurd, both from reality and from your distorted perception of it.

The point is America is a white country and so is Canada too. White is another word for European native.

According to the US Census you're wrong. "White" is not just restricted to Europeans - it includes Arabs, for instance. Honestly you should just stop. You clearly have little to no idea what you are talking about and likely have never cracked a history book outside of a high school class, which I wouldn't be surprised if you slept through anyway. Seriously, you're boring us all with your lack of facts and evidence. Its trite even for this site.