Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[San Lumen]

And who says they are unskilled? Have your ever met a Burmese person?

An oppressed minority in a poor country where the privileged ethnic majority themselves only get a mean 4 years of education.

Laws of probability say they are unskilled.

You will find that Myanmar has had an Education Index below Democratic Republic of Congo every year between 1980 to 2014, when the data stopped being gathered.

I doubt many of them will do anything else than undervalue the work done by America's working class/working poor.

Like ive told you numerous times if they went through the normal channels they'd already be dead

How many Muslims died at the hands of the Thai, Indian or Bangladeshi governments in the last 2 years?

They aren't getting special treatment. They get a one way plane ticket and get placed somewhere.

I'm not sure how to read this in a way that doesn't scream special treatment.

On your first point Thats the fault of their government not anything they did.

The Thai, Indian or Bangladeshi government doesnt want them. And how is getting a one way plane ticket and getting settled somewhere be it Buffalo, St. Louis or Minneapolis special treatment? They are responsible for paying their rent and getting a job.

I suggest you check this out when you have time. Its long but maybe it will give you some perspective
http://projects.buffalonews.com/long-re ... index.html

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This has always straight bothered me. Sadly, many Middle Eastern countries are too busy with petty ethnic disputes to be particularly charitable.

Bangladesh (and other muslim nations) has enough of their own problems without being flooded by Rohingya immigration, they can't really afford to help them.

Assalamu 'Alaikum.
That's no excuse to turn there own brothers and sisters over to murderers.

[San Lumen]

Bangladesh (and other muslim nations) has enough of their own problems without being flooded by Rohingya immigration, they can't really afford to help them.

Assalamu 'Alaikum.
That's no excuse to turn there own brothers and sisters over to murderers.

I agree completely. Since they are not helping that's why they are coming to Europe and increasingly the US and Canada.

[Trumptonium]

On your first point Thats the fault of their government not anything they did.

I repeat.

So what?

The American Government is only responsible for its own residents, and is only accountable to its own citizens. It is not a charity organisation for the rest of the planet.

The Thai, Indian or Bangladeshi government doesnt want them.

Clearly they do or they would be closing the borders, which they aren't.

And how is getting a one way plane ticket and getting settled somewhere be it Buffalo, St. Louis or Minneapolis special treatment?

Is this a serious question?

[San Lumen]

On your first point Thats the fault of their government not anything they did.

I repeat.

So what?

The American Government is only responsible for its own residents, and is only accountable to its own citizens. It is not a charity organisation for the rest of the planet.

The Thai, Indian or Bangladeshi government doesnt want them.

Clearly they do or they would be closing the borders, which they aren't.

And how is getting a one way plane ticket and getting settled somewhere be it Buffalo, St. Louis or Minneapolis special treatment?

Is this a serious question?

No one said it was charity organization. America was founded on immigration as was Canada.

Thailand, India and Bangladesh dont have to close the borders nor can you do it to affect only one country.

And yes it is a serious question. You left out the second part about them being responsible for finding a job and paying rent.

Check out the link I posted when you have a chance. Its long but it will give you some prospective and maybe you wont be so cold hearted.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I repeat.

So what?

The American Government is only responsible for its own residents, and is only accountable to its own citizens. It is not a charity organisation for the rest of the planet.



Clearly they do or they would be closing the borders, which they aren't.



Is this a serious question?

No one said it was charity organization. America was founded on immigration as was Canada.

They were founded on invasion and subjugation, not immigration.

[Aillyria]

Bangladesh (and other muslim nations) has enough of their own problems without being flooded by Rohingya immigration, they can't really afford to help them.

Assalamu 'Alaikum.
That's no excuse to turn there own brothers and sisters over to murderers.

Because it makes sense to exasperate your own society's problems be bringing in more problems.

I have sympathy for the Rohingya, as a fellow muslim, I really do, but you can't save everyone life doesn't work like that. There are finite resources and a country has a finite capacity to deal with issues, you can't allow empathy to control you and lead to your own demise.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Assalamu 'Alaikum.
That's no excuse to turn there own brothers and sisters over to murderers.

Because it makes sense to exasperate your own society's problems be bringing in more problems.

I have sympathy for the Rohingya, as a fellow muslim, I really do, but you can't save everyone life doesn't work like that. There are finite resources and a country has a finite capacity to deal with issues, you can't allow empathy to control you and lead to your own demise.

Point taken.

[Trumptonium]

No one said it was charity organization. America was founded on immigration as was Canada.

You implied the US Government has a responsibility to bring Burmese unskilled migrants because it is not their fault they are uneducated.

That's called charity.

maybe you wont be so cold hearted.

I will when tomorrow, and I prefer the term 'rational.' Please don't assume the temperature of my heart.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Bangladesh (and other muslim nations) has enough of their own problems without being flooded by Rohingya immigration, they can't really afford to help them.

Assalamu 'Alaikum.
That's no excuse to turn there own brothers and sisters over to murderers.

Yeah
I’d like to say again as a Buddhist that the purging of the Rohingya is a disgrace

[United Citizens of North America]

No one said it was charity organization. America was founded on immigration as was Canada.

You implied the US Government has a responsibility to bring Burmese unskilled migrants because it is not their fault they are uneducated.

That's called charity.

maybe you wont be so cold hearted.

I will when tomorrow, and I prefer the term 'rational.' Please don't assume the temperature of my heart.

You can't assume that because certain people are uneducated they will not work hard; a large percentage of the European immigrants in th 1800s and the 1900s were illiterate and they helped build modern America. I wouldn't be surprised if one of your ancestors was a uneducated immigrant, fleeing persecution

[Trumptonium]

You can't assume that because certain people are uneducated they will not work hard; a large percentage of the European immigrants in th 1800s and the 1900s were illiterate and they helped build modern America.

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

[San Lumen]

You can't assume that because certain people are uneducated they will not work hard; a large percentage of the European immigrants in th 1800s and the 1900s were illiterate and they helped build modern America.

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

And here we go with the immigrants are taking jobs nonsense. That article I linked you to about Buffalo will give you some perspective

[United Citizens of North America]

You can't assume that because certain people are uneducated they will not work hard; a large percentage of the European immigrants in th 1800s and the 1900s were illiterate and they helped build modern America.

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

Immigrants aren't taking away the jobs of americans; Companies who move abroad to China or india do that. You can't blame immigrants for taking jobs that have already left

[Trumptonium]

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

And here we go with the immigrants are taking jobs nonsense. That article I linked you to about Buffalo will give you some perspective

What nonsense?

Basic economics.

Higher labour supply, lower wage compensation.

[Trumptonium]

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

Immigrants aren't taking away the jobs of americans; Companies who move abroad to China or india do that. You can't blame immigrants for taking jobs that have already left

New York City taxi jobs were outsourced to Indian companies?

Wew that's one hell of an export I have to say.

[Crazed Pirates]

America has a labour requirement in unskilled sector right now because?

To price out natives/residents from the same work even more?

And here we go with the immigrants are taking jobs nonsense. That article I linked you to about Buffalo will give you some perspective

>looks outside
>sees lots of migrants working as unskilled laborers
Haw-haw, First World is actually inefficient for once!

Okay, now seriously. Immigrants do take jobs. I mean, you either have a source of money or die from starvation. Western countries are less efficient in having their immigrants to take jobs because they're force-feeding them with welfare so they don't really have to. It's a Western problem and they brought it on themselves, though.

[San Lumen]

And here we go with the immigrants are taking jobs nonsense. That article I linked you to about Buffalo will give you some perspective

>looks outside
>sees lots of migrants working as unskilled laborers
Haw-haw, First World is actually inefficient for once!

Okay, now seriously. Immigrants do take jobs. I mean, you either have a source of money or die from starvation. Western countries are less efficient in having their immigrants to take jobs because they're force-feeding them with welfare so they don't really have to. It's a Western problem and they brought it on themselves, though.

Sorry but that's true. You cannot just collect welfare and not look for work.

[San Lumen]

And here we go with the immigrants are taking jobs nonsense. That article I linked you to about Buffalo will give you some perspective

What nonsense?

Basic economics.

Higher labour supply, lower wage compensation.

Read the article and you;'ll see. Maybe you'll understand its not as simple as you think it is. You've never lived in the conditions those people grew up in and therefore you can't comprehend it.

[Crazed Pirates]

>looks outside
>sees lots of migrants working as unskilled laborers
Haw-haw, First World is actually inefficient for once!

Okay, now seriously. Immigrants do take jobs. I mean, you either have a source of money or die from starvation. Western countries are less efficient in having their immigrants to take jobs because they're force-feeding them with welfare so they don't really have to. It's a Western problem and they brought it on themselves, though.

Sorry but that's true. You cannot just collect welfare and not look for work.

I had an acquaintance who migrated to Britain and literally bought drugs (mostly meth, IIRC) instead of working. I think I might know at least something about that.

[San Lumen]

Sorry but that's true. You cannot just collect welfare and not look for work.

I had an acquaintance who migrated to Britain and literally bought drugs (mostly meth, IIRC) instead of working. I think I might know at least something about that.

Well she's in the extreme minority then. Most immigrants to Britain dont collect welfare and work very hard and do jobs you likely wouldn't do.

[Crazed Pirates]

I had an acquaintance who migrated to Britain and literally bought drugs (mostly meth, IIRC) instead of working. I think I might know at least something about that.

Well she's in the extreme minority then. Most immigrants to Britain dont collect welfare and work very hard and do jobs you likely wouldn't do.

Oh, so immigrants do take jobs now. Yes, if there were zero immigrants, those jobs would have to have better pay to attract local manpower - but that's exactly what your opponents were saying.
(Also, yes, she's in the minority (I'm not going to guess how do you know she's a she (well, if you count transgenders), a magician's got to have their secrets, but I'm still going to say that local (that is, Russian) immigrants would have an even smaller similar minority - proportionally or numerically).

[Conserative Morality]

Well she's in the extreme minority then. Most immigrants to Britain dont collect welfare and work very hard and do jobs you likely wouldn't do.

Oh, so immigrants do take jobs now. Yes, if there were zero immigrants, those jobs would have to have better pay to attract local manpower - but that's exactly what your opponents were saying.
(Also, yes, she's in the minority (I'm not going to guess how do you know she's a she (well, if you count transgenders), a magician's got to have their secrets, but I'm still going to say that local (that is, Russian) immigrants would have an even smaller similar minority - proportionally or numerically).

The idea of 'taking' jobs is ridiculous in most of these cases.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh, so immigrants do take jobs now. Yes, if there were zero immigrants, those jobs would have to have better pay to attract local manpower - but that's exactly what your opponents were saying.
(Also, yes, she's in the minority (I'm not going to guess how do you know she's a she (well, if you count transgenders), a magician's got to have their secrets, but I'm still going to say that local (that is, Russian) immigrants would have an even smaller similar minority - proportionally or numerically).

The idea of 'taking' jobs is ridiculous in most of these cases.

Ecspecially in cases of legal immigration

[San Lumen]

The idea of 'taking' jobs is ridiculous in most of these cases.

Ecspecially in cases of legal immigration

Exactly. Refugees dont take jobs either.