Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Telconi]

Because 'immigrant' is not. race.

You know most of them?

I know it isn't but many of those with anti immigration viewpoints espouse some very racist things.

And many Clinton voters espoused some very racist things.

Are you a racist Lumen?

[San Lumen]

I know it isn't but many of those with anti immigration viewpoints espouse some very racist things.

And many Clinton voters espoused some very racist things.

Are you a racist Lumen?

Like what?

Is that a serious question?

[Liriena]

Because 'immigrant' is not. race.

Correct in theory. In practice, however, the issue of immigration all too often gets framed around specific groups of immigrants. American anti-immigration rhetoric generally points the fingers at a small handful of clearly defined groups: Latin American immigrants, Muslim refugees from Arab or Arab-adjacent nations, and occasionally Somali refugees. A lot of the visual propaganda surrounding immigration points at those groups above all others.

[Kyrinasaj]

How is is anti immigration and anti multiculturalism not racism? Most of the people who espouse anti immigration viewpoints say extremely racist things.

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I don't wanna defend them, but correlation=/causation.

Many of those I know just prefer ethnostates, or think that unskilled laborers are mooching off of us.
Do I agree?
Hell no.
Still though. Only 25% of those folk I know are racist, afaik.

As one of those evil racist who wants an ethno-state, most anti-immigration sentiment at least here in Europe is cultural or economical, most people don't care for race or ethnic group too much.

[San Lumen]

Because 'immigrant' is not. race.

Correct in theory. In practice, however, the issue of immigration all too often gets framed around specific groups of immigrants. American anti-immigration rhetoric generally points the fingers at a small handful of clearly defined groups: Latin American immigrants, Muslim refugees from Arab or Arab-adjacent nations, and occasionally Somali refugees. A lot of the visual propaganda surrounding immigration points at those groups above all others.

And then people make insane comments like Muslims shouldnt be allowed in public that somehow they are threat to America. A lot of the talk that comes from the right regarding immigration is very similar to what was said about the Jews in Nazi Germany.

[San Lumen]

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I don't wanna defend them, but correlation=/causation.

Many of those I know just prefer ethnostates, or think that unskilled laborers are mooching off of us.
Do I agree?
Hell no.
Still though. Only 25% of those folk I know are racist, afaik.

As one of those evil racist who wants an ethno-state, most anti-immigration sentiment at least here in Europe is cultural or economical, most people don't care for race or ethnic group too much.

And how are you going to achieve that ethno state? Kick out everyone whose not white?

[Kyrinasaj]

Correct in theory. In practice, however, the issue of immigration all too often gets framed around specific groups of immigrants. American anti-immigration rhetoric generally points the fingers at a small handful of clearly defined groups: Latin American immigrants, Muslim refugees from Arab or Arab-adjacent nations, and occasionally Somali refugees. A lot of the visual propaganda surrounding immigration points at those groups above all others.

And then people make insane comments like Muslims shouldnt be allowed in public that somehow they are threat to America. A lot of the talk that comes from the right regarding immigration is very similar to what was said about the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oh wow this again, tell me where are the signs saying ''No Muslims''? Where's the Muslim ''moon and star'' badge?

[San Lumen]

And then people make insane comments like Muslims shouldnt be allowed in public that somehow they are threat to America. A lot of the talk that comes from the right regarding immigration is very similar to what was said about the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oh wow this again, tell me where are the signs saying ''No Muslims''? Where's the Muslim ''moon and star'' badge?

I haven't seen any signs or badges like that. But there is a candidate for Governor of Kansas who suggested immigrants should have badges which is straight out of Nazi Germany.

[Trumptonium1]

And then people make insane comments like Muslims shouldnt be allowed in public that somehow they are threat to America. A lot of the talk that comes from the right regarding immigration is very similar to what was said about the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Oh wow this again, tell me where are the signs saying ''No Muslims''? Where's the Muslim ''moon and star'' badge?

he doesn't even know what they said. he can't quote anything without googling, he just knows "it's bad"

[Telconi]

And many Clinton voters espoused some very racist things.

Are you a racist Lumen?

Like what?

Is that a serious question?

I had a customer, a Clinton voter, the other day start talking about politics and he says" I wish the Republicans would do more for black people" at first I was like, "okay, that's fair, me too" And he follows it up with "So we can kick the n-words out and make the Democrat party a white man's party again."

I have a coworker who was a big Berne fan, unironically a socialist, believes blacks should be slaves of the state to relieve workload from non-blacks.

There's some disgustingly racist people who vote for your guy or gal Lumen, people aren't all one flavor.

[San Lumen]

Like what?

Is that a serious question?

I had a customer, a Clinton voter, the other day start talking about politics and he says" I wish the Republicans would do more for black people" at first I was like, "okay, that's fair, me too" And he follows it up with "So we can kick the n-words out and make the Democrat party a white man's party again."

I have a coworker who was a big Berne fan, unironically a socialist, believes blacks should be slaves of the state to relieve workload from non-blacks.

There's some disgustingly racist people who vote for your guy or gal Lumen, people aren't all one flavor.

Well Im sorry but i dont condone sentiments like that and its certainly not a majority of the party.

[Telconi]

I had a customer, a Clinton voter, the other day start talking about politics and he says" I wish the Republicans would do more for black people" at first I was like, "okay, that's fair, me too" And he follows it up with "So we can kick the n-words out and make the Democrat party a white man's party again."

I have a coworker who was a big Berne fan, unironically a socialist, believes blacks should be slaves of the state to relieve workload from non-blacks.

There's some disgustingly racist people who vote for your guy or gal Lumen, people aren't all one flavor.

Well Im sorry but i dont condone sentiments like that and its certainly not a majority of the party.

It's not a majority, but neither is it on the Republican side either.

[Liriena]

It's not a majority, but neither is it on the Republican side either.

Eeeeeeeeeh, sure, not a majority, buuuuuuuut...

On the racism front, Trump supporters are much likelier than Clinton backers to say African Americans are less intelligent, lazier, and ruder than whites, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted in March and April, and noted by Political Wire (paywall). Nearly half of Trump fans said blacks were more “violent” or more “criminal” than whites. The gap in biases held even when accounting for the different mix of races between Clinton and Trump supporters, reported Reuters.

Meanwhile, the Sandernistas...

Below, you’ll find an updated graphic that shows how Sanders supporters compare with the other candidates. You’ll see that there was a difference between Clinton and Sanders’ supporters, with the pro-Sanders camp expressing fewer negative views on race than those backing Clinton.

[San Lumen]

It's not a majority, but neither is it on the Republican side either.

Eeeeeeeeeh, sure, not a majority, buuuuuuuut...

On the racism front, Trump supporters are much likelier than Clinton backers to say African Americans are less intelligent, lazier, and ruder than whites, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted in March and April, and noted by Political Wire (paywall). Nearly half of Trump fans said blacks were more “violent” or more “criminal” than whites. The gap in biases held even when accounting for the different mix of races between Clinton and Trump supporters, reported Reuters.

Meanwhile, the Sandernistas...

Below, you’ll find an updated graphic that shows how Sanders supporters compare with the other candidates. You’ll see that there was a difference between Clinton and Sanders’ supporters, with the pro-Sanders camp expressing fewer negative views on race than those backing Clinton.

Those are rather shocking statistics

[Telconi]

Eeeeeeeeeh, sure, not a majority, buuuuuuuut...

On the racism front, Trump supporters are much likelier than Clinton backers to say African Americans are less intelligent, lazier, and ruder than whites, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted in March and April, and noted by Political Wire (paywall). Nearly half of Trump fans said blacks were more “violent” or more “criminal” than whites. The gap in biases held even when accounting for the different mix of races between Clinton and Trump supporters, reported Reuters.

Meanwhile, the Sandernistas...

Below, you’ll find an updated graphic that shows how Sanders supporters compare with the other candidates. You’ll see that there was a difference between Clinton and Sanders’ supporters, with the pro-Sanders camp expressing fewer negative views on race than those backing Clinton.

Those are rather shocking statistics

Literally like 1/3 people think blacks are more criminal that whites...

[Holy Tedalonia]

Those are rather shocking statistics

FAKE NEWS! FAKE POLL! DEEP STATE! CIA!

More like they went to the most racial part of America, and what they thought was true. Regardless it is doubtful that this many people think this way.

[Liriena]

Those are rather shocking statistics

Literally like 1/3 people think blacks are more criminal that whites...

And nearly half of Trump voters

:thonk:

[ImperialAntarctica]

In regards to the subject of 'Diversity and Multiculturalism/make diversity great again',
His Majesty's government of the Constitutional Monarchy of Imperial Antarctica shall hereby issue the following statement:
I.Subsequent to the knowledge that under the preamble of the Antarctican Charter of Rights, 'all sentinent beings are created equal', and thus shall enjoy all constitutional rights and liberties granted thereof.
II.That the subject of question under all and any circumstance retain all of his/her natural rights, which are respectively:
i. Life
ii. Liberty
iii. The pursuit of happiness
III.That any infringement upon any of the above rights in every and any situation shall be considered an act of violation of Article II.
Truthfully from His Majesty's government of
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[San Lumen]

Literally like 1/3 people think blacks are more criminal that whites...

That's 75% too much tbh.

Only 75% because need to be realistic about who we could convince.

and Trump has embolden these racist people which is why you see it on the news more now.

[San Lumen]

In regards to the subject of 'Diversity and Multiculturalism/make diversity great again',
His Majesty's government of the Constitutional Monarchy of Imperial Antarctica shall hereby issue the following statement:
I.Subsequent to the knowledge that under the preamble of the Antarctican Charter of Rights, 'all sentinent beings are created equal', and thus shall enjoy all constitutional rights and liberties granted thereof.
II.That the subject of question under all and any circumstance retain all of his/her natural rights, which are respectively:
i. Life
ii. Liberty
iii. The pursuit of happiness
III.That any infringement upon any of the above rights in every and any situation shall be considered an act of violation of Article II.
Truthfully from His Majesty's government of
[The Constitutional Monarchy][/of Imperial Antarctica]

This does not belong here. NSG is a out of character forum.

[Telconi]

Literally like 1/3 people think blacks are more criminal that whites...

And nearly half of Trump voters

:thonk:

Yeah, and there's gay, racial minority Trump supporters too -shrug-

[Telconi]

Yeah, and there's gay, racial minority Trump supporters too -shrug-

But those aren't a core part of his base. I'm guessing this poll may be skewed, but it still makes up at least 5% his base, while those voters you brought up make up about 2%. The 5% is more crucial.

It's a two party system, people go towards the nearer candidate, Trump certainly seems more racist than Clinton, so it stands to reason they'll gravitate to him. But I mean, I bet you a lot more people with positive views of command socialism voted Clinton.

[Telconi]

It's a two party system, people go towards the nearer candidate, Trump certainly seems more racist than Clinton, so it stands to reason they'll gravitate to him. But I mean, I bet you a lot more people with positive views of command socialism voted Clinton.

As much as I dislike it, that'd basically mean I'd shut myself out from almost every candidate. Doing so would be pointless. So please don't appeal to emotion to me personally.

Racism is an issue as it causes people to be harassed, and viewed negatively in day-to-day lives and can be the root cause of oppression, so if those folk vote for such a candidate, that candidate is forced to appeal to them to keep their votes, resulting in more pandering to racists to keep their elected office. This can cause an issue with people who can't choose to be a certain ethnicity or not, and results in the slow rise of oppression.

So we need to call them out and pressure our elected officials to denounce racists much more strongly, and I don't see many right wing politicians doing that. Some actually embrace it.

I'm confused, I wasn't attemptin to make a personal appeal to emotion.

Certainly, I believe the cycle is self feeding, and dangerous if not suppressed.

Again, certainly, but as younsaid, parties are.really bad at self reflection, they are generally happy to ride a distasteful fiction of society to victory.

[Telconi]

I'm confused, I wasn't attemptin to make a personal appeal to emotion.

Certainly, I believe the cycle is self feeding, and dangerous if not suppressed.

Again, certainly, but as younsaid, parties are.really bad at self reflection, they are generally happy to ride a distasteful fiction of society to victory.

1: Ah thought it was cuz I said I was opposed to that earlier.
2: Good to hear!
3: True, but the Repubs just happen to have more racists. You guys need to pressure them. I'm not a Repub, so my pressure would be ineffective.

No, it was mostly the second offensive extremists I could think of that gravitate towards Democrats. The first was gun control people, but sometimes I like to mix it up.



We do, but as I said, people will look the other way for votes, and functionally, they're going to vote for somebody, if the Republicans push them out, the Democrats will have an infestation.

[San Lumen]

1: Ah thought it was cuz I said I was opposed to that earlier.
2: Good to hear!
3: True, but the Repubs just happen to have more racists. You guys need to pressure them. I'm not a Repub, so my pressure would be ineffective.

No, it was mostly the second offensive extremists I could think of that gravitate towards Democrats. The first was gun control people, but sometimes I like to mix it up.



We do, but as I said, people will look the other way for votes, and functionally, they're going to vote for somebody, if the Republicans push them out, the Democrats will have an infestation.

I can’t see those people voting Democratic not when the party is putting up more women and Non white candidates then ever before