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Kramanica
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:02 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kramanica wrote:No, distill means to purify something. So you're claiming that I'm purifying your posts. Honestly I'm not sure how to take that. Sounds like a compliment, honestly.

And I am seriously beginning to wonder if this whole arduous debate has just been a bad case of you not fully understanding English.

One must first "purify" to derive a different product from the original item. You purify my posts to result in your desired produced. My posts are malt, and your responses are directed towards beer.

"Purify" generally has positive connotations in the English language, my man.

And I encourage you, again to read "Anti-Intellectualism in America" and "What is a Nation?"

Honestly I find your assertatuin that a nation is a spiritual thing to he rather humorous coming from a socialist.

I'm not going to accept your absurdly narrow definition for nationhood my man. Accepting one narrow definition and rejecting all the other widely-accepted ones seems rather anti-intellectual.

Nucego wrote:Maybe it's "dilute". Is it "dilute"?

No, it's distill. He distills my posts into something they weren't. Again, my posts are malt, and he constantly argues against beer.

To dilute suggests that he takes my posts and addresses them by making them mixed with something else. I contend that he doesn't actually address my posts at all, but posts that he has decided to respond to; posts that I unfortunately never wrote myself.

And now rather than debating you're whining that I'm "distilling" your posts.

More of that famous French elitism you kept mentioning.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:07 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Olerand wrote:One must first "purify" to derive a different product from the original item. You purify my posts to result in your desired produced. My posts are malt, and your responses are directed towards beer.

"Purify" generally has positive connotations in the English language, my man.

And I encourage you, again to read "Anti-Intellectualism in America" and "What is a Nation?"

Honestly I find your assertatuin that a nation is a spiritual thing to he rather humorous coming from a socialist.

I'm not going to accept your absurdly narrow definition for nationhood my man. Accepting one narrow definition and rejecting all the other widely-accepted ones seems rather anti-intellectual.

No, it's distill. He distills my posts into something they weren't. Again, my posts are malt, and he constantly argues against beer.

To dilute suggests that he takes my posts and addresses them by making them mixed with something else. I contend that he doesn't actually address my posts at all, but posts that he has decided to respond to; posts that I unfortunately never wrote myself.

And now rather than debating you're whining that I'm "distilling" your posts.

More of that famous French elitism you kept mentioning.

What is inherently positive about the process of purification that must take place for malt to become beer, or anise to become pastis?
Alcohol requires purification, but there is nothing inherently positive about that purification, it is the name of the process.

The spirit need not be religious. In fact, in France, we say someone has "esprit" or spirit when they are funny even. The spirit is what is innate to you, what is in your core.

Your choice, but rejecting to read the book a priori is quite anti-intellectual. One can read much literature on the topic and find one book most appropriate. But one needs to read to come to those conclusions.

I'm not whining, I'm pointing out that you only distill my posts. You don't read them, nor address them. That is simply a fact.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:59 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kramanica wrote:"Purify" generally has positive connotations in the English language, my man.


Honestly I find your assertatuin that a nation is a spiritual thing to he rather humorous coming from a socialist.

I'm not going to accept your absurdly narrow definition for nationhood my man. Accepting one narrow definition and rejecting all the other widely-accepted ones seems rather anti-intellectual.


And now rather than debating you're whining that I'm "distilling" your posts.

More of that famous French elitism you kept mentioning.

What is inherently positive about the process of purification that must take place for malt to become beer, or anise to become pastis?
Alcohol requires purification, but there is nothing inherently positive about that purification, it is the name of the process.

The spirit need not be religious. In fact, in France, we say someone has "esprit" or spirit when they are funny even. The spirit is what is innate to you, what is in your core.

Your choice, but rejecting to read the book a priori is quite anti-intellectual. One can read much literature on the topic and find one book most appropriate. But one needs to read to come to those conclusions.

I'm not whining, I'm pointing out that you only distill my posts. You don't read them, nor address them. That is simply a fact.

What has this devolved into?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:03 pm

Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:05 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=country&oq=country&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.2157j1j7&client=ms-android-americamovil-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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The US is both.

By those definition couldn't all countries be a nation as well.?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=country&oq=country&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61l3j0l2.2157j1j7&client=ms-android-americamovil-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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The US is both.

By those definition couldn't all countries be a nation as well.?

Pretty much.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:51 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:By those definition couldn't all countries be a nation as well.?

Pretty much.

I dont get why people use two different terms when they both apparently have similar definitions

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:07 am

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Pretty much.

I dont get why people use two different terms when they both apparently have similar definitions

People are weird sometimes.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:51 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont get why people use two different terms when they both apparently have similar definitions

People are weird sometimes.

I suppose so

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:06 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I support Multiculturalism, to an extent.

I believe in serving the people, and that's why a nation exists, and I oppose a global government, but I don't care if people like to keep some traditions and religions, language, etc.

What don’t you support about it?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:07 pm

Bout time this thread got moving again :lol:
Anyone think that this thread should be merged into this one?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:13 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What don’t you support about it?

*Looks at Yugoslavia, Turkey, Austria-Hungary, and Indonesia*

Eh....overall I very much do support it, but it can cause...issues at times. I.E. rebellions, genocides, etc.

You just gotta be careful, and it'll take a very carefully crafted constitution, as well as strong live branch, to make work, which if people put enough effort, it can.

Yugoslavia was never going to last long. The Blakans have not gotten along for centuries.

Those genocides and rebellions you speak of where not directly caused by multiculturalism

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yugoslavia was never going to last long. The Blakans have not gotten along for centuries.

Those genocides and rebellions you speak of where not directly caused by multiculturalism

Well yeah, but a lot of currently multicultural nations have bad pasts, that's the issue I see really. They need to learn to get along if they want to be multicultural.

We could put them in a time-out together. :p


Many countries had bad pasts and manage to be multicultural. The UK, Germany and Canada are good examples

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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:28 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yugoslavia was never going to last long. The Blakans have not gotten along for centuries.

Those genocides and rebellions you speak of where not directly caused by multiculturalism

Well yeah, but a lot of currently multicultural nations have bad pasts, that's the issue I see really. They need to learn to get along if they want to be multicultural.

We could put them in a time-out together. :p


Problem is I think we're forgetting how to get along.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Well yeah, but a lot of currently multicultural nations have bad pasts, that's the issue I see really. They need to learn to get along if they want to be multicultural.

We could put them in a time-out together. :p


Problem is I think we're forgetting how to get along.

I agree with that and not just nationally. You see it at the state and local level too. When i was working GOTV for local elections in my hometown last year I spoke to a woman who said a black man had no right to be Sheriff of a white county and that officers who were white shouldn't listen to him if he won.

He defeated his opponent by 1000 votes.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:34 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Many countries had bad pasts and manage to be multicultural. The UK, Germany and Canada are good examples

I am aware.
That's why I simply propose they put in the work to forgive each other.

Telconi wrote:
Problem is I think we're forgetting how to get along.

I agree.
The Right Wing and Left have definitely sabotaged this and caused chaos and division. The Right has taken it to a new level however, it's only a matter of time before the Left goes more radical...

I see signs of progress. In my area and across the country where there have been instances of racism and intolerance the community unites together against it.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:36 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I see signs of progress. In my area and across the country where there have been instances of racism and intolerance the community unites together against it.


I'm skeptical. My searches online-I'm constantly studying online and talking, reading, etc. to see their true opinions and actions-makes it feel like they're only getting worse.

I dont think its a majority. I think those people were always there they just feel emboldened now.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I am aware.
That's why I simply propose they put in the work to forgive each other.


I agree.
The Right Wing and Left have definitely sabotaged this and caused chaos and division. The Right has taken it to a new level however, it's only a matter of time before the Left goes more radical...

I see signs of progress. In my area and across the country where there have been instances of racism and intolerance the community unites together against it.


I don't look at every time you and I encounter one another. I don't think we have any business being part of the same country.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:40 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont think its a majority. I think those people were always there they just feel emboldened now.

Makes sense, I've just encountered so many. It's shocking. All over the web.

Platforms like Facebook always had people making mean comments. It does not represent the majority.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:46 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Platforms like Facebook always had people making mean comments. It does not represent the majority.

YT-not saying much though-every news site, Discord, NS even to a degree, Breitbart-not saying much though-, Fox, etc. all have so many negative comments.


The internet is full of racist xenophobic trolls it doesnt represent a majority of people. I think most people have no problem with America being a melting pot and being multicultural.

I watch the ABC news series What Would You Do? every week its on and many people stand up to racism and intolerance and when they see it. They often do the New York metro area but they do venture out into rural New York on occasion and sometimes other states.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:YT-not saying much though-every news site, Discord, NS even to a degree, Breitbart-not saying much though-, Fox, etc. all have so many negative comments.


The internet is full of racist xenophobic trolls it doesnt represent a majority of people. I think most people have no problem with America being a melting pot and being multicultural.


you don't care about polls showing the contrary, so why bother?

you'll spout the same shit over again anyway

San Lumen wrote:I watch the ABC news series What Would You Do? every week its on and many people stand up to racism and intolerance and when they see it. They often do the New York metro area but they do venture out into rural New York on occasion and sometimes other states.


because racism is wrong

anti-immigration, anti-multiculturalism et al. is not racism
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:27 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The internet is full of racist xenophobic trolls it doesnt represent a majority of people. I think most people have no problem with America being a melting pot and being multicultural.


you don't care about polls showing the contrary, so why bother?

you'll spout the same shit over again anyway

San Lumen wrote:I watch the ABC news series What Would You Do? every week its on and many people stand up to racism and intolerance and when they see it. They often do the New York metro area but they do venture out into rural New York on occasion and sometimes other states.


because racism is wrong

anti-immigration, anti-multiculturalism et al. is not racism


How is is anti immigration and anti multiculturalism not racism? Most of the people who espouse anti immigration viewpoints say extremely racist things.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
you don't care about polls showing the contrary, so why bother?

you'll spout the same shit over again anyway



because racism is wrong

anti-immigration, anti-multiculturalism et al. is not racism


How is is anti immigration and anti multiculturalism not racism? Most of the people who espouse anti immigration viewpoints say extremely racist things.


Because 'immigrant' is not. race.

You know most of them?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
you don't care about polls showing the contrary, so why bother?

you'll spout the same shit over again anyway



because racism is wrong

anti-immigration, anti-multiculturalism et al. is not racism


How is is anti immigration and anti multiculturalism not racism? Most of the people who espouse anti immigration viewpoints say extremely racist things.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How is is anti immigration and anti multiculturalism not racism? Most of the people who espouse anti immigration viewpoints say extremely racist things.


Because 'immigrant' is not. race.

You know most of them?


I know it isn't but many of those with anti immigration viewpoints espouse some very racist things.

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