Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Olerand]

You refuse to learn the basics of political science and sociology. I don't need to take anyone's word on this matter, especially when it is contrary to established academia.

I don't think I should take the word of a socialist on what is established academia.

Many (but not all) Anglo-Saxons don't bother to actually learn the basics of the topics they are discussing.

On the other hand, the French are the sole subject matter experts.

You wouldn't take the word of established academia on established academia. It is not the American way to actually better yourselves, is it? Especially not with the help of someone who actually might disagree with your opinion, as this thread clearly shows.

No, we're not. I never claimed otherwise. Interesting that you don't refute my post though.

Out of all of that, you got that? I would suggest you read Renan's work, the linchpin of the understanding of the modern nation, titled, What is a Nation?

But I know you are not interested in actually reading books on the topic.


Not even to mention that you continue to deny that English is not the language of America, nor that you manifest a common psychology nor a common culture.

Americans speak English so

English is not your language; it is not required, a growing number of immigrants do not speak it, and an entire political faction in your political spectrum contests the need to learn it.

[Kramanica]

Well, whaddaya know, we have a common language and territory and economic life and culture.

Even by your Wikipedia definition America is a nation lmao.

You're just embarrassing yourself by this point.

Out of all of that, you got that? I would suggest you read Renan's work, the linchpin of the understanding of the modern nation, titled, What is a Nation?

But I know you are not interested in actually reading books on the topic.

No, I don't believe a nation is a spiritual thing. It is also interesting that you reject all definitions of a nation besides the one this Frenchman provides.

Not even to mention that you continue to deny that English is not the language of America, nor that you do manifest a common psychology nor a common culture. Because apparently the American South is... over the civil war, and the Southern Strategy was... something unknown to America, born out of... anything but resentment and a different understanding of what the American Nation is supposed to be.

We don't have a culture? Oh, not this trope again.

*sigh*

Since you do so enjoy Wikipedia pages there is an entire page on American culture.

plz read

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I don't think I should take the word of a socialist on what is established academia.

On the other hand, the French are the sole subject matter experts.

You wouldn't take the word of established academia on established academia.

Like I said, don't trust a socialist on the subject of established academia.

It is not the American way to actually better yourselves, is it?

It's not the American way to take socialists at face value.

No, we're not. I never claimed otherwise. Interesting that you don't refute my post though.

You don't really have one though.

Americans speak English so

English is not your language;

English is not YOUR language, it is ours though.

it is not required,

It is if you wanna pass high school.

a growing number of immigrants do not speak it,

Key word immigrant

and an entire political faction in your political spectrum contests the need to learn it.

An entire political faction? Wow! That's such a vague descriptor it could be any faction of any size!

[Olerand]

Out of all of that, you got that? I would suggest you read Renan's work, the linchpin of the understanding of the modern nation, titled, What is a Nation?

But I know you are not interested in actually reading books on the topic.

No, I don't believe a nation is a spiritual thing. It is also interesting that you reject all definitions of a nation besides the one this Frenchman provides.

Not even to mention that you continue to deny that English is not the language of America, nor that you do manifest a common psychology nor a common culture. Because apparently the American South is... over the civil war, and the Southern Strategy was... something unknown to America, born out of... anything but resentment and a different understanding of what the American Nation is supposed to be.

We don't have a culture? Oh, not this trope again.

*sigh*

Since you do so enjoy Wikipedia pages there is an entire page on American culture.

plz read

I do, as is my strict right. I have, again, established in my prior posts why I choose this understanding. You are welcome to look them over.

I never said you don't have a culture. If you had actually read my post, you would have noticed the word "common" that appears before and acts upon the word culture. I do not believe American has an American culture that all its citizens can claim, as evidenced by the growing numbers of ideologically, racially, and ethnically minded Americans who reject American culture.

[Kramanica]

I don't think I should take the word of a socialist on what is established academia.

On the other hand, the French are the sole subject matter experts.

You wouldn't take the word of established academia on established academia. It is not the American way to actually better yourselves, is it? Especially not with the help of someone who actually might disagree with your opinion, as this thread clearly shows.

No, we're not. I never claimed otherwise. Interesting that you don't refute my post though.

Americans speak English so

English is not your language; it is not required, a growing number of immigrants do not speak it, and an entire political faction in your political spectrum contests the need to learn it.

I really don't understand your logic.

The definition of a nation you believe holds that a nation isn't formed on the basis of a common language:

He also claims that a nation is not formed on the basis of dynasty, language, religion, geography, or shared interests.

And then you claim America isn't a language because some don't speak English.

11/10 logic gg no re

[Olerand]

You wouldn't take the word of established academia on established academia.

Like I said, don't trust a socialist on the subject of established academia.

It is not the American way to actually better yourselves, is it?

It's not the American way to take socialists at face value.

No, we're not. I never claimed otherwise. Interesting that you don't refute my post though.

You don't really have one though.

English is not your language;

English is not YOUR language, it is ours though.

it is not required,

It is if you wanna pass high school.

a growing number of immigrants do not speak it,

Key word immigrant

and an entire political faction in your political spectrum contests the need to learn it.

An entire political faction? Wow! That's such a vague descriptor it could be any faction of any size!

Again, anti-intellectualism in America is well documented, and you yourself have acknowledged that. That's fine, that is your strict right.

It's not the American way to read either?

I don't have a post?

It isn't. As evidenced by what I wrote earlier. You don't have a national language, and growing numbers of Americans reject to learn what common language you did have in the past.

Many Americans don't.

Immigrants are a part of the nation, that is why they are immigrants, and not expatriates.

It is what you incorrectly describe as your "left".

[Kramanica]

No, I don't believe a nation is a spiritual thing. It is also interesting that you reject all definitions of a nation besides the one this Frenchman provides.



We don't have a culture? Oh, not this trope again.

*sigh*

Since you do so enjoy Wikipedia pages there is an entire page on American culture.

plz read

I do, as is my strict right. I have, again, established in my prior posts why I choose this understanding. You are welcome to look them over.

Yes, you do have a right to be ignorant. And I have a right to reject your narrow definition in favor of the definition that pretty much everyone else uses.

I never said you don't have a culture. If you had actually read my post, you would have noticed the word "common" that appears before and acts upon the word culture. I do not believe American has an American culture that all its citizens can claim, as evidenced by the growing numbers of ideologically, racially, and ethnically minded Americans who reject American culture.

But we do. The culture of minorities in this country is distinct from their ancestral place of origin. Just because we have different subcultures does not mean that there isn't an overarching American culture.

[Olerand]

You wouldn't take the word of established academia on established academia. It is not the American way to actually better yourselves, is it? Especially not with the help of someone who actually might disagree with your opinion, as this thread clearly shows.

No, we're not. I never claimed otherwise. Interesting that you don't refute my post though.


English is not your language; it is not required, a growing number of immigrants do not speak it, and an entire political faction in your political spectrum contests the need to learn it.

I really don't understand your logic.

The definition of a nation you believe holds that a nation isn't formed on the basis of a common language:

He also claims that a nation is not formed on the basis of dynasty, language, religion, geography, or shared interests.

And then you claim America isn't a language because some don't speak English.

11/10 logic gg no re

I claim that there is no requirement in America to speak English, and an entire side of your political spectrum contests any push to require people to speak the common language.

Let me ask you this, do you read my posts? As, the actual words in them? Because otherwise... I don't really understand how you distill arguments you want to argue against from my posts and then go on and argue against what are your arguments really.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Like I said, don't trust a socialist on the subject of established academia.

It's not the American way to take socialists at face value.


You don't really have one though.

English is not YOUR language, it is ours though.

It is if you wanna pass high school.

Key word immigrant

An entire political faction? Wow! That's such a vague descriptor it could be any faction of any size!

Again, anti-intellectualism in America is well documented, and you yourself have acknowledged that. That's fine, that is your strict right.

It's not the American way to read either?

This is why Americans hate Europeans, so arrogant.

It is what you incorrectly describe as your "left".

>Le "The American Left isn't actually left" trope

[Kramanica]

I really don't understand your logic.

The definition of a nation you believe holds that a nation isn't formed on the basis of a common language:

And then you claim America isn't a language because some don't speak English.

11/10 logic gg no re

I claim that there is no requirement in America to speak English, and an entire side of your political spectrum contests any push to require people to speak the common language.

Let me ask you this, do you read my posts? As, the actual words in them? Because otherwise... I don't really understand how you distill arguments you want to argue against from my posts and then go on and argue against what are your arguments really.

Dude, you've spent a good chunk of your time in this thread claiming that America isn't a nation because we don't all speak English. Now you're adorably trying to backpedal.

Is that French elitism you keep talking about?

[Olerand]

I do, as is my strict right. I have, again, established in my prior posts why I choose this understanding. You are welcome to look them over.

Yes, you do have a right to be ignorant. And I have a right to reject your narrow definition in favor of the definition that pretty much everyone else uses.

I never said you don't have a culture. If you had actually read my post, you would have noticed the word "common" that appears before and acts upon the word culture. I do not believe American has an American culture that all its citizens can claim, as evidenced by the growing numbers of ideologically, racially, and ethnically minded Americans who reject American culture.

But we do. The culture of minorities in this country is distinct from their ancestral place of origin. Just because we have different subcultures does not mean that there isn't an overarching American culture.

I have established my points. I'm not trying to convince you, I knew where you stood when you questioned why I was linking you to a book about a topic pertinent to the discussion. I expect no more from this conversation than some way to pass the time.

No, again, my post does not simply contend that subcultures exist. I contend that a growing number of "Americans" reject American culture.

Again, I ask, do you read my posts?

[Olerand]

Again, anti-intellectualism in America is well documented, and you yourself have acknowledged that. That's fine, that is your strict right.

It's not the American way to read either?

This is why Americans hate Europeans, so arrogant.

It is what you incorrectly describe as your "left".

>Le "The American Left isn't actually left" trope

I don't think there is actually arrogance in being able, and more importantly, willing to read.

And I have also discussed this issue in length in this thread and many others. You are welcome to revisit those posts.

I claim that there is no requirement in America to speak English, and an entire side of your political spectrum contests any push to require people to speak the common language.

Let me ask you this, do you read my posts? As, the actual words in them? Because otherwise... I don't really understand how you distill arguments you want to argue against from my posts and then go on and argue against what are your arguments really.

Dude, you've spent a good chunk of your time in this thread claiming that America isn't a nation because we don't all speak English. Now you're adorably trying to backpedal.

Is that French elitism you keep talking about?

Again, you don't read my posts. How could I possibly claim you don't speak English? I never said you don't speak English. Read my posts, again. But this time, read them, don't distill them.

[Kramanica]

Yes, you do have a right to be ignorant. And I have a right to reject your narrow definition in favor of the definition that pretty much everyone else uses.


But we do. The culture of minorities in this country is distinct from their ancestral place of origin. Just because we have different subcultures does not mean that there isn't an overarching American culture.

I have established my points. I'm not trying to convince you, I knew where you stood when you questioned why I was linking you to a book about a topic pertinent to the discussion. I expect no more from this conversation than some way to pass the time.

I see you're still whining about that.

No, again, my post does not simply contend that subcultures exist. I contend that a growing number of "Americans" reject American culture.

Well you seem to take the existence of subcultures of minorities as proof that there isn't an American culture.

Again, I ask, do you read my posts?

Unfortunately, yes.

[Kramanica]

This is why Americans hate Europeans, so arrogant.

>Le "The American Left isn't actually left" trope

I don't think there is actually arrogance in being able, and more importantly, willing to read.

And I have also discussed this issue in length in this thread and many others. You are welcome to revisit those posts.

Dude, you've spent a good chunk of your time in this thread claiming that America isn't a nation because we don't all speak English. Now you're adorably trying to backpedal.

Is that French elitism you keep talking about?

Again, you don't read my posts. How could I possibly claim you don't speak English? I never said you don't speak English. Read my posts, again. But this time, read them, don't distill them.

Oh, good lord. I wasn't saying that you claimed that I personally don't speak English. I said you claimed we don't all speak English, which you did.

Are you sure you're completely fluent in English?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This is why Americans hate Europeans, so arrogant.

>Le "The American Left isn't actually left" trope

I don't think there is actually arrogance in being able, and more importantly, willing to read.

Sorry I don't particularly care for the opinions of socialists.

[Olerand]

I have established my points. I'm not trying to convince you, I knew where you stood when you questioned why I was linking you to a book about a topic pertinent to the discussion. I expect no more from this conversation than some way to pass the time.

I see you're still whining about that.

No, again, my post does not simply contend that subcultures exist. I contend that a growing number of "Americans" reject American culture.

Well you seem to take the existence of subcultures of minorities as proof that there isn't an American culture.

Again, I ask, do you read my posts?

Unfortunately, yes.

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

Unfortunately, either you don't... Or... well...

I don't think there is actually arrogance in being able, and more importantly, willing to read.

Sorry I don't particularly care for the opinions of socialists.

Again, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I see you're still whining about that.


Well you seem to take the existence of subcultures of minorities as proof that there isn't an American culture.


Unfortunately, yes.

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

Unfortunately, either you don't... Or... well...

Sorry I don't particularly care for the opinions of socialists.

Again, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

Socialism is anti-intellectualism smuggled into academia.

[Olerand]

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

Unfortunately, either you don't... Or... well...


Again, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

Socialism is anti-intellectualism smuggled into academia.

As I said, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

[Nucego]

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

Unfortunately, either you don't... Or... well...


Again, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

Socialism is anti-intellectualism smuggled into academia.

I gotta say, that was a very intellectual conspiracy you came up with. Never heard that one before, so complicated, definitely not parroted by many people many times over.

[San Lumen]

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

Unfortunately, either you don't... Or... well...


Again, anti-intellectualism is a dominant trait of the American ethos, I understand.

Socialism is anti-intellectualism smuggled into academia.

Im sorry what?

[Kramanica]

I see you're still whining about that.


Well you seem to take the existence of subcultures of minorities as proof that there isn't an American culture.


Unfortunately, yes.

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

I don't think you quite understand the meaning of the word "distill".

[Olerand]

You're welcome to revisit my posts. I know you don't enjoy having to look them up and read them, but I encourage you to try.

No. Again, read my posts. Don't distill them, read the words, the sentences.

I don't think you quite understand the meaning of the word "distill".

No, I do, you practice it constantly. You take my posts, filled with whatever they may be filled with, and distill them into a gruel or broth that you then argue against. I don't know why, however.

[Kramanica]

I don't think you quite understand the meaning of the word "distill".

No, I do, you practice it constantly. You take my posts, filled with whatever they may be filled with, and distill them into a gruel that you then argue against. I don't know why, however.

No, distill means to purify something. So you're claiming that I'm purifying your posts. Honestly I'm not sure how to take that. Sounds like a compliment, honestly.

And I am seriously beginning to wonder if this whole arduous debate has just been a bad case of you not fully understanding English.

[Nucego]

No, I do, you practice it constantly. You take my posts, filled with whatever they may be filled with, and distill them into a gruel that you then argue against. I don't know why, however.

No, distill means to purify something. So you're claiming that I'm purifying your posts. Honestly I'm not sure how to take that. Sounds like a compliment, honestly.

And I am seriously beginning to wonder if this whole arduous debate has just been a bad case of you not fully understanding English.

Maybe it's "dilute". Is it "dilute"?

[Olerand]

No, I do, you practice it constantly. You take my posts, filled with whatever they may be filled with, and distill them into a gruel that you then argue against. I don't know why, however.

No, distill means to purify something. So you're claiming that I'm purifying your posts. Honestly I'm not sure how to take that. Sounds like a compliment, honestly.

And I am seriously beginning to wonder if this whole arduous debate has just been a bad case of you not fully understanding English.

One must first "purify" to derive a different product from the original item. You purify my posts to result in your desired produced. My posts are malt, and your responses are directed towards beer.

And I encourage you, again to read "Anti-Intellectualism in America" and "What is a Nation?"

No, distill means to purify something. So you're claiming that I'm purifying your posts. Honestly I'm not sure how to take that. Sounds like a compliment, honestly.

And I am seriously beginning to wonder if this whole arduous debate has just been a bad case of you not fully understanding English.

Maybe it's "dilute". Is it "dilute"?

No, it's distill. He distills my posts into something they weren't. Again, my posts are malt, and he constantly argues against beer.

To dilute suggests that he takes my posts and addresses them by making them mixed with something else. I contend that he doesn't actually address my posts at all, but posts that he has decided to respond to; posts that I unfortunately never wrote myself.