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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 12:25 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Are you not a human?


Yep, but if the only thing we have in common is "well we're the same species!" then we don't actually have anything in common and don't have any sort of shared identity. You're opposed to just about everything I believe in after all.


And frankly what use is it? A common human identity as you said is meaningless. Usually used in the context of secular humanism, if we all reach down deep enough and feel enough empathy, we can all live together. What peace can be had though with somebody who wants Shariah? Why should I have to tolerate living under the same system and with somebody who has the same amount of say as those fine gentlemen in Europe who have created a system of speech suppression I find totalitarian? Or how about the Chinese, who now use cameras and "social credit" to determine automatically if you go to the labor camps? How horrifying a thought that these so called people are ones I should make common cause with and be subjected to the same government under. Indeed we are better if we can live in our separate zones, where Nazi pug jokers can be arrested, where the KKK can march with the support of the ACLU and where a subversive look can get you taken off the streets.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri May 11, 2018 12:25 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:I have literally seen you defend wife-beating on here smgdh

When?

I also have seen you do that when you went like "ackchooly, Quran said beat them lightly so it doesn't count sweaty :^]"
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 12:36 pm

The East Marches II wrote:What peace can be had though with somebody who wants Shariah?

A lot.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 12:38 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:What peace can be had though with somebody who wants Shariah?

A lot.


I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box. Slavery, wife beating, lashes for the gays, what peace can be had? How can that coexist with a liberal order?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri May 11, 2018 12:39 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:A lot.


I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

Since Islam is a faith, can we gear more towards culture and diversity issues.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 12:43 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

Since Islam is a faith, can we gear more towards culture and diversity issues.


It's also culture. They go hand in hand. In this great idea of finding a common bond of humanity as proposed, you find it sadly lacking substance. Why would I want to be under the same system as a people who dreamed up the social credit and automatic repression system? What bond can we find to unite? Our very ideas of humanity and humanism are alien to each other.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 12:44 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:A lot.


I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

True but depends on the violence. Even then, they shold peacfully persevere.
The East Marches II wrote:Slavery

Highly regulated/nonexistent
The East Marches II wrote:wife beating

Not a thing
The East Marches II wrote:lashes for the gays

And adulterers, fornicators, incestors, rapists, those who commit bestiality.
The East Marches II wrote:what peace can be had?

A lot
The East Marches II wrote:How can that coexist with a liberal order?

Liberal? I was thinking Khilafah. But even in a liberal gov, that'd work out.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 12:45 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

True but depends on the violence. Even then, they shold peacfully persevere.
The East Marches II wrote:Slavery

Highly regulated/nonexistent
The East Marches II wrote:wife beating

Not a thing
The East Marches II wrote:lashes for the gays

And adulterers, fornicators, incestors, rapists, those who commit bestiality.
The East Marches II wrote:what peace can be had?

A lot
The East Marches II wrote:How can that coexist with a liberal order?

Liberal? I was thinking Khilafah. But even in a liberal gov, that'd work out.


Your answers do more for my point than I ever could

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Postby Telconi » Fri May 11, 2018 12:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

True but depends on the violence. Even then, they shold peacfully persevere.
The East Marches II wrote:Slavery

Highly regulated/nonexistent
The East Marches II wrote:wife beating

Not a thing
The East Marches II wrote:lashes for the gays

And adulterers, fornicators, incestors, rapists, those who commit bestiality.
The East Marches II wrote:what peace can be had?

A lot
The East Marches II wrote:How can that coexist with a liberal order?

Liberal? I was thinking Khilafah. But even in a liberal gov, that'd work out.


You're just making his argument for him at this point.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 12:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:what peace can be had?

A lot


Incorrect.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri May 11, 2018 12:48 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Since Islam is a faith, can we gear more towards culture and diversity issues.


It's also culture. They go hand in hand. In this great idea of finding a common bond of humanity as proposed, you find it sadly lacking substance. Why would I want to be under the same system as a people who dreamed up the social credit and automatic repression system? What bond can we find to unite? Our very ideas of humanity and humanism are alien to each other.

It's true that Muslims hold closer ties to themselves, but I argue that it's a stretch that a Muslim in Tunisia is sharing the same culture as one in Iran. There's a point when the arguement grays, especially considering Christianity expanse.
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 11, 2018 12:49 pm

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 12:50 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
It's also culture. They go hand in hand. In this great idea of finding a common bond of humanity as proposed, you find it sadly lacking substance. Why would I want to be under the same system as a people who dreamed up the social credit and automatic repression system? What bond can we find to unite? Our very ideas of humanity and humanism are alien to each other.

It's true that Muslims hold closer ties to themselves, but I argue that it's a stretch that a Muslim in Tunisia is sharing the same culture as one in Iran. There's a point when the arguement grays, especially considering Christianity expanse.

I think TEM2's referring to Islamic culture, not Muslim-majority countries' culture.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 12:50 pm

Gospel Power wrote:The hardest question in politics

No it's not. There's a lot more harder question than this.
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 1:37 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.


Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.

First I’m not black or brown and secondly when have I ever said white people are out to get me?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.

First I’m not black or brown and secondly when have I ever said white people are out to get me?


You heavily implied it pretty much the entire 2016 election season.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri May 11, 2018 1:40 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I'm sure you would be a fine neighbor of course but other Islamists have used violence to impose their will if they can't get it through the ballot box.

True but depends on the violence. Even then, they shold peacfully persevere.
The East Marches II wrote:Slavery

Highly regulated/nonexistent
The East Marches II wrote:wife beating

Not a thing
The East Marches II wrote:lashes for the gays

And adulterers, fornicators, incestors, rapists, those who commit bestiality.
The East Marches II wrote:what peace can be had?

A lot
The East Marches II wrote:How can that coexist with a liberal order?

Liberal? I was thinking Khilafah. But even in a liberal gov, that'd work out.

There can be no peace with those who would enslave us under their theocracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 1:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:First I’m not black or brown and secondly when have I ever said white people are out to get me?


You heavily implied it pretty much the entire 2016 election season.

No I didn’t

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 1:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You heavily implied it pretty much the entire 2016 election season.

No I didn’t


You sure as fuck did lol. Literally every single time someone disagreed with you or said they were voting for someone other than your preferred candidate you ranted about "lily white counties" and other garbage.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 1:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I didn’t


You sure as fuck did lol. Literally every single time someone disagreed with you or said they were voting for someone other than your preferred candidate you ranted about "lily white counties" and other garbage.

That was after the election and I admit some of it was a bit extreme

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Postby Genivaria » Fri May 11, 2018 2:08 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No I didn’t


You sure as fuck did lol. Literally every single time someone disagreed with you or said they were voting for someone other than your preferred candidate you ranted about "lily white counties" and other garbage.

And he's opposed to abolishing minority-majority counties btw.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 2:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You sure as fuck did lol. Literally every single time someone disagreed with you or said they were voting for someone other than your preferred candidate you ranted about "lily white counties" and other garbage.

And he's opposed to abolishing minority-majority counties btw.

Is there something wrong with majority Non Hispanic white communities and counties?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 2:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And he's opposed to abolishing minority-majority counties btw.

Is there something wrong with majority Non Hispanic white communities and counties?


When it comes to gerrymandering? Yes, there is.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri May 11, 2018 2:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And he's opposed to abolishing minority-majority counties btw.

Is there something wrong with majority Non Hispanic white communities and counties?

When you want to make them specifically to give one party an unbeatable edge you're goddamn right there's something wrong with it.
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Postby Post War America » Fri May 11, 2018 2:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Is there something wrong with majority Non Hispanic white communities and counties?

When you want to make them specifically to give one party an unbeatable edge you're goddamn right there's something wrong with it.


Would you similarly break up districts that were by design guaranteed to go to Republicans?
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