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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 10, 2018 1:35 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yeah, no. White Americans hated on other White Americans because of their ancestry and language. For most of US history, there was no pan-European identity. Also, to even say that is false in itself, because the US never saw itself as another Pan-European country.

It never saw itself as European, but its culture is heavily, HEAVILY derived from that of many European countries. And yes, you had the oppression of the Irish and all that, but this doesn't change the fact that, culturally, the United States, for most of its history, has had a broadly European culture.

Yes but it was a never a white culture or a whites only country.

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yeah, no. White Americans hated on other White Americans because of their ancestry and language. For most of US history, there was no pan-European identity. Also, to even say that is false in itself, because the US never saw itself as another Pan-European country.

To be fair, it was more because they were catholic (Irish) in a heavily Protestantised country. Christianity was still recovering from the Protestant reformation.

And Italians served as what is today's Mexican stereotype. America is simply great at stereotyping, and discriminating. There's a reason why tobacco companies face the brunt of the Democratic Parties agenda, while they support marijuana.

So, in other words, since different European peoples were discriminated in America, there was no such thing as a Pan-European identity that was prominent. I mean, I'd accept "quasi-British but we don't like to talk about it", but "Pan-European"? even during the wars where the US took part?
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Postby Gharrow » Thu May 10, 2018 2:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gharrow wrote:It never saw itself as European, but its culture is heavily, HEAVILY derived from that of many European countries. And yes, you had the oppression of the Irish and all that, but this doesn't change the fact that, culturally, the United States, for most of its history, has had a broadly European culture.

Yes but it was a never a white culture or a whites only country.

The dominant culture was pretty much always white, and the original immigration laws stated that only whites were allowed in. There was slavery but they weren't really viewed as people so much as products.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Gharrow wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes but it was a never a white culture or a whites only country.

The dominant culture was pretty much always white, and the original immigration laws stated that only whites were allowed in. There was slavery but they weren't really viewed as people so much as products.


No the immigration law did not say that and there were free blacks in the United States even in colonial times.

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Postby Post War America » Fri May 11, 2018 5:31 am

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San Lumen wrote:Yes but it was a never a white culture or a whites only country.

The dominant culture was pretty much always white, and the original immigration laws stated that only whites were allowed in. There was slavery but they weren't really viewed as people so much as products.


And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 6:27 am

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Gharrow wrote:The dominant culture was pretty much always white, and the original immigration laws stated that only whites were allowed in. There was slavery but they weren't really viewed as people so much as products.


And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 8:32 am

Post War America wrote:
Gharrow wrote:The dominant culture was pretty much always white, and the original immigration laws stated that only whites were allowed in. There was slavery but they weren't really viewed as people so much as products.


And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.


And yet people say america is a white nation founded as a white country.

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Postby Salus Maior » Fri May 11, 2018 8:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.


And yet people say america is a white nation founded as a white country.


And those people are wrong.
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Postby Post War America » Fri May 11, 2018 8:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.


And yet people say america is a white nation founded as a white country.


People make the mistake of claiming dominant = only.
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Postby Sovaal » Fri May 11, 2018 8:44 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Post War America wrote:
And yet those slaves and ex-slaves made significant contributions to the American cultural gestalt. For example, pretty much all of our modern music can trace its lineage to Afro-American culture. Additionally, much of the culture of the Southwest is based around Hispanic, specifically Mexican vaquero culture.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 8:54 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And yet people say america is a white nation founded as a white country.


People make the mistake of claiming dominant = only.

Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri May 11, 2018 9:02 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
People make the mistake of claiming dominant = only.

Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.

I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 9:03 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.

I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.

What do you mean by culture domination?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 11, 2018 9:05 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.

I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.

It is important though. In 20 years white identity politics will no longer be viable.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri May 11, 2018 9:07 am

San Lumen wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.

What do you mean by culture domination?

Like largest cultures compared to the minor ones in a nation.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 11, 2018 9:09 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What do you mean by culture domination?

Like largest cultures compared to the minor ones in a nation.


But what culture is dominating over others?

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 9:56 am

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.

It is important though. In 20 years white identity politics will no longer be viable.


It will be even more critical. It will just be opposing alliances of racial groups and we have your sort to thank. I for one look forward to Yugoslavia in the 80s.

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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 9:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
People make the mistake of claiming dominant = only.

Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.


Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 10:25 am

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.


Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.

Prove where he says this.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri May 11, 2018 10:28 am

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:I wouldn't regard that as important. I rather focus on something more relevant like culture domination, since that gives more substantial differences.

It is important though. In 20 years white identity politics will no longer be viable.

I think it will remain. What makes you think that disappears simply because of ethnic change.

America in regards to identity is far more oriented in "race culture" rather then national culture (France, and German are good examples) or regional culture (like ancient Greeks city state period). Hell, we have the Harlem renaissance which is was a black culture revolution. If America truly wants to get rid of racism, they'll have to destroy not only white identity, but black identity, and etc.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri May 11, 2018 10:30 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.

Prove where he says this.


It's just like you with the Al-Qaida flag, I can do that but he'll deny that is what it is to the bitter end. Thankfully thanks to his plethora of posts, other posters can search small towns and find lots of evidence. They can even search white people and find where a thread jumped him for saying something that had it had a minority in its place, would have been regarded as racist.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 10:38 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Prove where he says this.


It's just like you with the Al-Qaida flag

What al-Qaeda flag?
The East Marches II wrote:I can do that but he'll deny that is what it is to the bitter end.

Then don't falsely accuse people of stuff they didn't do
The East Marches II wrote:Thankfully thanks to his plethora of posts, other posters can search small towns and find lots of evidence. They can even search white people and find where a thread jumped him for saying something that had it had a minority in its place, would have been regarded as racist.

Show us then.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri May 11, 2018 10:47 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
It's just like you with the Al-Qaida flag

What al-Qaeda flag?
The East Marches II wrote:I can do that but he'll deny that is what it is to the bitter end.

Then don't falsely accuse people of stuff they didn't do
The East Marches II wrote:Thankfully thanks to his plethora of posts, other posters can search small towns and find lots of evidence. They can even search white people and find where a thread jumped him for saying something that had it had a minority in its place, would have been regarded as racist.

Show us then.

Well this wasn't too hard to find.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 10:49 am

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly correct. Plus demographics are changing and within 20 years America will no longer be a white majority country.


Of course, you celebrate this fact, then demonize white people as out to get you. You are the greatest ally to white nationalists.


I've told him that a few times and he really just doesn't get it, I wouldn't even bother anymore.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 11, 2018 10:50 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:America in regards to identity is far more oriented in "race culture" rather then national culture (France, and German are good examples) or regional culture (like ancient Greeks city state period). Hell, we have the Harlem renaissance which is was a black culture revolution. If America truly wants to get rid of racism, they'll have to destroy not only white identity, but black identity, and etc.


Yeah, this seems to be a big problem for our country right now. We need really need to reduce attachment to racial identity in favor of national identity or regional identity.

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