Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Gharrow]

Stop desperately bumping your thread and let the conversation flow organically or address my post in depth by doing more than restating your original position.

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

Well, for starters there's the risk of cultural diffusion mixing up a whole bunch of different cultures and ending up with some nasty melting pot-type deal like we've got in the United States.

There's an inherent division in society that wouldn't be present in a culturally/racially homogenous one.

There's oppression, which finds its way into pretty much every multicultural, diverse society.

That's just to name a few, there are more which I'm too lazy to list right now.

[San Lumen]

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

Well, for starters there's the risk of cultural diffusion mixing up a whole bunch of different cultures and ending up with some nasty melting pot-type deal like we've got in the United States.

There's an inherent division in society that wouldn't be present in a culturally/racially homogenous one.

There's oppression, which finds its way into pretty much every multicultural, diverse society.

That's just to name a few, there are more which I'm too lazy to list right now.

What is wrong with the melting pot in the United States?

The only division comes from those who stoke racial tensions and blame immigrants and non whites for our problems like a certain politician who shall not be named.

Who is being oppressed in the United States, Canada, the UK, Brazil or Germany all multicultural countries?

[New Emeline]

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

Well, for starters there's the risk of cultural diffusion mixing up a whole bunch of different cultures and ending up with some nasty melting pot-type deal like we've got in the United States.

There's an inherent division in society that wouldn't be present in a culturally/racially homogenous one.

There's oppression, which finds its way into pretty much every multicultural, diverse society.

That's just to name a few, there are more which I'm too lazy to list right now.

What do you mean by "nasty melting pot-type deal"?

[Gharrow]

Well, for starters there's the risk of cultural diffusion mixing up a whole bunch of different cultures and ending up with some nasty melting pot-type deal like we've got in the United States.

There's an inherent division in society that wouldn't be present in a culturally/racially homogenous one.

There's oppression, which finds its way into pretty much every multicultural, diverse society.

That's just to name a few, there are more which I'm too lazy to list right now.

What is wrong with the melting pot in the United States?

The only division comes from those who stoke racial tensions and blame immigrants and non whites for our problems like a certain politician who shall not be named.

Who is being oppressed in the United States, Canada, the UK, Brazil or Germany all multicultural countries?

the melting pot in the United States leads to cultural diffusion, in which both the host culture and the culture being introduced to it take on aspects of each other and eventually becoming one, thus destroying the original identity of both,

No, division is inherent because people tend to associate more with their own groups, causing there to be social divides on the small and large scale. Also, there is just as much "white-blaming" among minority groups as there is "nonwhite-blaming" in the white community, if not more since in minority communities such behavior tends to be more socially accepted.

At some point in almost all of those countries' history some minority or other has been oppressed, things which would not have happened had there been no such diversity in the first place.

[Gharrow]

Well, for starters there's the risk of cultural diffusion mixing up a whole bunch of different cultures and ending up with some nasty melting pot-type deal like we've got in the United States.

There's an inherent division in society that wouldn't be present in a culturally/racially homogenous one.

There's oppression, which finds its way into pretty much every multicultural, diverse society.

That's just to name a few, there are more which I'm too lazy to list right now.

What do you mean by "nasty melting pot-type deal"?

see my response to the other guy

[Holy Tedalonia]

Suburbs were founded on the idea of comfortable living, accelerated by racism. You could say the "advertising" during that time was that's it was "color free". However without the economic status or rise of the medium class, the suburbs would be no more than a fantasy.

Based on how things are going our culture is going to kill white suburbs and chinatowns fairly quickly. The would surmise the last few stragglers won't survive the next generation.

The Levitt brothers, the founders of Levittown, the birthplace of suburbia founded it on racism.

I dont think Chinatowns are going anywhere but I agree white suburbs will be gone within a generation or less with changing demographics and populations trends toward cities.

Florence is the birthplace of the renaissance, but it wouldn't define the renaissance. Since the renaissance happened all across Italy, so trendy that even though the birthplace was Florence it would be defined by Italians all across Italy.

This is how the suburbans were defined, became popular so fast that the Levitt Brothers couldn't define suburbia. If Florence were racist, it doesn't mean the renaissance was going to be founded on racism.

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What do you mean by "nasty melting pot-type deal"?

see my response to the other guy

Cultural diffusion has always been a thing

[San Lumen]

What is wrong with the melting pot in the United States?

The only division comes from those who stoke racial tensions and blame immigrants and non whites for our problems like a certain politician who shall not be named.

Who is being oppressed in the United States, Canada, the UK, Brazil or Germany all multicultural countries?

the melting pot in the United States leads to cultural diffusion, in which both the host culture and the culture being introduced to it take on aspects of each other and eventually becoming one, thus destroying the original identity of both,

No, division is inherent because people tend to associate more with their own groups, causing there to be social divides on the small and large scale. Also, there is just as much "white-blaming" among minority groups as there is "nonwhite-blaming" in the white community, if not more since in minority communities such behavior tends to be more socially accepted.

At some point in almost all of those countries' history some minority or other has been oppressed, things which would not have happened had there been no such diversity in the first place.

What was the host culture and original identity in the United States?

Blaming people who dont look like you for your problems is never acceptable.

Racism and bigotry has existed for thousands of years and it will not go away anytime soon. Most countries in the Americas were literally founded on immigration. There were non whites in the United States even in colonial times.

[Gharrow]

the melting pot in the United States leads to cultural diffusion, in which both the host culture and the culture being introduced to it take on aspects of each other and eventually becoming one, thus destroying the original identity of both,

No, division is inherent because people tend to associate more with their own groups, causing there to be social divides on the small and large scale. Also, there is just as much "white-blaming" among minority groups as there is "nonwhite-blaming" in the white community, if not more since in minority communities such behavior tends to be more socially accepted.

At some point in almost all of those countries' history some minority or other has been oppressed, things which would not have happened had there been no such diversity in the first place.

What was the host culture and original identity in the United States?

Blaming people who dont look like you for your problems is never acceptable.

Racism and bigotry has existed for thousands of years and it will not go away anytime soon. Most countries in the Americas were literally founded on immigration. There were non whites in the United States even in colonial times.

Host culture in the United States? How far back do you want me to go? Originally I suppose it'd be the various Native American groups but they were supplanted by the English, and American culture remained fairy Anglicized for quite some time so arguably that'd be it.

When did I say it was?

Immigration implies that people moved to another country to start new lives, meaning that a prerequisite for something to be immigration is an already established state to immigrate to. There wasn't really an equivalent for that, at least in North America, since native tribes aren't quite the same as a state (barring possibly the Iroquois Federation, which was started after colonization had begun anyway), and the Europeans had no idea there would be natives there, or at least no guarantee of it. The intent was not to immigrate to another nation but to start a new nation/colony entirely.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Emeline is right, cultural influence and diffusion has happened since the dawn of humankind.

[Gharrow]

Emeline is right, cultural influence and diffusion has happened since the dawn of humankind.

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Emeline is right, cultural influence and diffusion has happened since the dawn of humankind.

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

Yeah, well that's what happens when you respect people regardless of their skin color, and allow them to make a living there.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Emeline is right, cultural influence and diffusion has happened since the dawn of humankind.

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

The best I've seen out of Cultural diffusion is America spreading their culture into Japan, bringing things like clothes trends, baseball, and etc, and does it without "fighting" or "competing" with the Japanese culture. And this change was incredibly fast, and quick compared to most diffusions.

My opinion is cultural diffusion is like gambling. You get amazing outcomes and you get terrible outcomes.

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Emeline is right, cultural influence and diffusion has happened since the dawn of humankind.

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

At what speed do you think it should happen?

[Gharrow]

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

Yeah, well that's what happens when you respect people regardless of their skin color, and allow them to make a living there.

Respecting other people regardless of skin color has nothing to do with what we were discussing. Stop trying to frame me as "le ebil nazee" and stop trying to make this about things its not

[Gharrow]

I never disagreed with this. A melting pot model simply accelerates this more rapidly than I believe it should.

At what speed do you think it should happen?

A slow one. Change should be very gradual, which is, in my eyes, the most natural form of growth.

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At what speed do you think it should happen?

A slow one. Change should be very gradual, which is, in my eyes, the most natural form of growth.

"Natural" is an entirely arbitrary distinction

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yeah, well that's what happens when you respect people regardless of their skin color, and allow them to make a living there.

Respecting other people regardless of skin color has nothing to do with what we were discussing. Stop trying to frame me as "le ebil nazee" and stop trying to make this about things its not

Stop making baseless assumptions.

At what speed do you think it should happen?

A slow one. Change should be very gradual, which is, in my eyes, the most natural form of growth.

How slow?

[Gharrow]

A slow one. Change should be very gradual, which is, in my eyes, the most natural form of growth.

"Natural" is an entirely arbitrary distinction

supplant that with "safest" or "least destructive", then.

[New Emeline]

"Natural" is an entirely arbitrary distinction

supplant that with "safest" or "least destructive", then.

see, that's much clearer

[San Lumen]

"Natural" is an entirely arbitrary distinction

supplant that with "safest" or "least destructive", then.

and what is currently being destroyed in the US? What culture is under siege?

[Gharrow]

supplant that with "safest" or "least destructive", then.

and what is currently being destroyed in the US? What culture is under siege?

The Anglicized, sort of Pan-European one that's been prominent for most of the history of the US?

[Kubumba Tribe]

and what is currently being destroyed in the US? What culture is under siege?

The Anglicized, sort of Pan-European one that's been prominent for most of the history of the US?

Yeah, no. White Americans hated on other White Americans because of their ancestry and language. For most of US history, there was no pan-European identity. Also, to even say that is false in itself, because the US never saw itself as another Pan-European country.

[Gharrow]

The Anglicized, sort of Pan-European one that's been prominent for most of the history of the US?

Yeah, no. White Americans hated on other White Americans because of their ancestry and language. For most of US history, there was no pan-European identity. Also, to even say that is false in itself, because the US never saw itself as another Pan-European country.

It never saw itself as European, but its culture is heavily, HEAVILY derived from that of many European countries. And yes, you had the oppression of the Irish and all that, but this doesn't change the fact that, culturally, the United States, for most of its history, has had a broadly European culture.

[Holy Tedalonia]

The Anglicized, sort of Pan-European one that's been prominent for most of the history of the US?

Yeah, no. White Americans hated on other White Americans because of their ancestry and language. For most of US history, there was no pan-European identity. Also, to even say that is false in itself, because the US never saw itself as another Pan-European country.

To be fair, it was more because they were catholic (Irish) in a heavily Protestantised country. Christianity was still recovering from the Protestant reformation.

And Italians served as what is today's Mexican stereotype. America is simply great at stereotyping, and discriminating. There's a reason why tobacco companies face the brunt of the Democratic Parties agenda, while they support marijuana.