Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[San Lumen]

Except history disagrees with that notion. It was a from of segregation.

Not really, If racism didn't need exist the suburbs would've been created still, albeit slower.

But it did exist and they were founded on racism.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Not really, If racism didn't need exist the suburbs would've been created still, albeit slower.

But it did exist and they were founded on racism.

Hardly, the founding of the suburbs was founded on comfortable living. I've lived in both worlds and without a doubt will say the suburbs make good on comfortable living. Now a racists idea of "comfortable living" might be color free, but my opinion and verdict is the promise of comfortability was made possible due to a persons economic status- something that black folks had difficulty climbing due to racism. Making suburbs relatively difficult, but possible to enter. Safe to say, I conclude that it is moreso a coincidence.

[San Lumen]

But it did exist and they were founded on racism.

Hardly, the founding of the suburbs was founded on comfortable living. I've lived in both worlds and without a doubt will say the suburbs make good on comfortable living. Now a racists idea of "comfortable living" might be color free, but my opinion and verdict is the promise of comfortability was made possible due to a persons economic status- something that black folks had difficulty climbing due to racism. Making suburbs relatively difficult, but possible to enter. Safe to say, I conclude that it is moreso a coincidence.

They might call it comfort but to most others it would be called racism. The Levitt Brothers who founded Levittown said "No person not of the Caucasian race shall own a home in this community" That is the definition of racism.

White flight is a from of racism too.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's not that suburbia was founded on racism, but that racism became a part of suburban planning.

[San Lumen]

It's not that suburbia was founded on racism, but that racism became a part of suburban planning.

What's the difference? It it was part of planning how can you say it wasn't founded on racism?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Hardly, the founding of the suburbs was founded on comfortable living. I've lived in both worlds and without a doubt will say the suburbs make good on comfortable living. Now a racists idea of "comfortable living" might be color free, but my opinion and verdict is the promise of comfortability was made possible due to a persons economic status- something that black folks had difficulty climbing due to racism. Making suburbs relatively difficult, but possible to enter. Safe to say, I conclude that it is moreso a coincidence.

They might call it comfort but to most others it would be called racism. The Levitt Brothers who founded Levittown said "No person not of the Caucasian race shall own a home in this community" That is the definition of racism.

White flight is a from of racism too.

The correct definition is racial segregation.

It's not that suburbia was founded on racism, but that racism became a part of suburban planning.

Spot on.

[Holy Tedalonia]

It's not that suburbia was founded on racism, but that racism became a part of suburban planning.

What's the difference? It it was part of planning how can you say it wasn't founded on racism?

The original intent lies behind comfortable living. The suburbs were only created due to economic opportunity, and those with wealth originally wanted to get out of the city, while not being in the countryside. Have you lived in a city before?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's not that suburbia was founded on racism, but that racism became a part of suburban planning.

What's the difference? It it was part of planning how can you say it wasn't founded on racism?

Because maybe they didn't take into account that people of color would want to move into the suburbs. Levington did, but not all.

[San Lumen]

What's the difference? It it was part of planning how can you say it wasn't founded on racism?

The original intent lies behind comfortable living. The suburbs were only created due to economic opportunity, and those with wealth originally wanted to get out of the city, while not being in the countryside. Have you lived in a city before?

Yes i currently live in a city.

[Conservative Feminism]

It's not good or bad, but it can be a positive or negative thing for any society, so pretending it can't be a negative thing or that it is always a positive is just as naive and delusional in my opinion.

It can be negative but the benefits outweigh the negatives in my view.

Good for you. Simply restating your position is not going to change mine, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

[San Lumen]

It can be negative but the benefits outweigh the negatives in my view.

Good for you. Simply restating your position is not going to change mine, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

No one was pretending anything

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Good for you. Simply restating your position is not going to change mine, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

No one was pretending anything

She/he never said you were.

[Conservative Feminism]

Good for you. Simply restating your position is not going to change mine, so I'm not sure why you quoted me.

No one was pretending anything

Stop desperately bumping your thread and let the conversation flow organically or address my post in depth by doing more than restating your original position.

[San Lumen]

No one was pretending anything

Stop desperately bumping your thread and let the conversation flow organically or address my post in depth by doing more than restating your original position.

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

[Sovaal]

Stop desperately bumping your thread and let the conversation flow organically or address my post in depth by doing more than restating your original position.

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

Conflicts between various groups.

[San Lumen]

What negatives do you think diversity and multiculturalism has then?

Conflicts between various groups.

Conflict in what way? Do you mean ethnic strife?

[Senegalboy]

Conflicts between various groups.

Conflict in what way? Do you mean ethnic strife?

Self segregation is a major problem

[San Lumen]

Conflict in what way? Do you mean ethnic strife?

Self segregation is a major problem

Why is it a problem? I dont see anything wrong with having a Chinatown in a major municipality.

[Pilarcraft]

Self segregation is a major problem

Why is it a problem? I dont see anything wrong with having a Chinatown in a major municipality.

Why though? I mean, it'd be the same as a white-only neighborhood in also a major municipality, and that's normally not seen as a good thing.

[San Lumen]

Why is it a problem? I dont see anything wrong with having a Chinatown in a major municipality.

Why though? I mean, it'd be the same as a white-only neighborhood in also a major municipality, and that's normally not seen as a good thing.

Are you talking a white neighborhood by law or by choice? If a neighborhood is almost all white or entirely so by choice and not because of a ordinance or a racist board in the development I dont see a problem.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Why is it a problem? I dont see anything wrong with having a Chinatown in a major municipality.

Why though? I mean, it'd be the same as a white-only neighborhood in also a major municipality, and that's normally not seen as a good thing.

It's kinda like isolationism. It doesn't benefit anyone if you close yourself off to the world, and makes you vulnerable to discrimination. Regardless chinatowns are ok, since no-ones really suffering, however I'd argue it's not ideal. The ideal is that we end chinatowns, white suburbs, and etc in due time, but forcefully ending them.

[Pilarcraft]

Why though? I mean, it'd be the same as a white-only neighborhood in also a major municipality, and that's normally not seen as a good thing.

It's kinda like isolationism. It doesn't benefit anyone if you close yourself off to the world, and makes you vulnerable to discrimination. Regardless chinatowns are ok, since no-ones really suffering, however I'd argue it's not ideal. The ideal is that we end chinatowns, white suburbs, and etc in due time, but forcefully ending them.

I agree that self-isolationism is not a good thing, though.

[San Lumen]

Why though? I mean, it'd be the same as a white-only neighborhood in also a major municipality, and that's normally not seen as a good thing.

It's kinda like isolationism. It doesn't benefit anyone if you close yourself off to the world, and makes you vulnerable to discrimination. Regardless chinatowns are ok, since no-ones really suffering, however I'd argue it's not ideal. The ideal is that we end chinatowns, white suburbs, and etc in due time, but forcefully ending them.

Well suburbs were founded on racism and some seem intent on keeping them majority white. How would you end Chinatowns and white suburbs?

[Holy Tedalonia]

It's kinda like isolationism. It doesn't benefit anyone if you close yourself off to the world, and makes you vulnerable to discrimination. Regardless chinatowns are ok, since no-ones really suffering, however I'd argue it's not ideal. The ideal is that we end chinatowns, white suburbs, and etc in due time, but forcefully ending them.

Well suburbs were founded on racism and some seem intent on keeping them majority white. How would you end Chinatowns and white suburbs?

Suburbs were founded on the idea of comfortable living, accelerated by racism. You could say the "advertising" during that time was that's it was "color free". However without the economic status or rise of the medium class, the suburbs would be no more than a fantasy.

Based on how things are going our culture is going to kill white suburbs and chinatowns fairly quickly. The would surmise the last few stragglers won't survive the next generation.

[San Lumen]

Well suburbs were founded on racism and some seem intent on keeping them majority white. How would you end Chinatowns and white suburbs?

Suburbs were founded on the idea of comfortable living, accelerated by racism. You could say the "advertising" during that time was that's it was "color free". However without the economic status or rise of the medium class, the suburbs would be no more than a fantasy.

Based on how things are going our culture is going to kill white suburbs and chinatowns fairly quickly. The would surmise the last few stragglers won't survive the next generation.

The Levitt brothers, the founders of Levittown, the birthplace of suburbia founded it on racism.

I dont think Chinatowns are going anywhere but I agree white suburbs will be gone within a generation or less with changing demographics and populations trends toward cities.