Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Kramanica]

I would say the biggest problem (besides government intervention) in multicultural areas is that people don't mingle.

Evidence for this? In my experience, people from multicultural areas mingle with people from ethnicities and cultures other than their own a lot.

Ethnic people tend to live in communities that consist primarily of their own people. Same for whites. You really need evidence for this?

[Northland Republic]

That's because there is a mindset within the black community of the system being against them when it's not anymore.

So how does that make suburbs racist.

Suburbs themselves are not racist but they continue to be affected by long since repealed policies that made them so. Plus in quite a few suburbs of my city there is a large amount of racist attitudes and animosity toward the city.

so your generalizing people from the suburbs

[San Lumen]

Suburbs themselves are not racist but they continue to be affected by long since repealed policies that made them so. Plus in quite a few suburbs of my city there is a large amount of racist attitudes and animosity toward the city.

so your generalizing people from the suburbs

No Im not. I have been there and witnessed it.

[Genivaria]

Suburbs themselves are not racist but they continue to be affected by long since repealed policies that made them so. Plus in quite a few suburbs of my city there is a large amount of racist attitudes and animosity toward the city.

so your generalizing people from the suburbs

Lived in suburbs for most of my life, it's pretty bleached.

[Kramanica]

so your generalizing people from the suburbs

No Im not. I have been there and witnessed it.

Cities suck. Overcrowded, crime-infested, smelly, noisy, and the people there have elitist attitudes and consider themselves to be more educated simply by virtue of living in a city.

I don't see how having animosity towards cities is bad.

[Thanatttynia]

Evidence for this? In my experience, people from multicultural areas mingle with people from ethnicities and cultures other than their own a lot.

Ethnic people tend to live in communities that consist primarily of their own people. Same for whites. You really need evidence for this?

And that is as opposed to non-multicultural areas, where people of different ethnicities do mingle ??? I might have misjudged your intent but it seemed to me as though you were implying that this problem wouldn't exist if multicultural areas didn't exist.

1) No, that's not correct.
2) Also featured in Black people's lives in the 50's: literal overt state-sponsored segregation and oppression, lynchings, being considered subhuman by a large percentage of the populace of their own country. I'm unclear what point you're trying to make by bringing in that time.
3) Yes, it's a generalisation. You said 'most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"'. That's not true. You are inferring, from a very limited knowledge of some black males who do this, that most black males do this. You are making a generalisation about 'most black males'.

1. Are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.

2. I not talking about government or the racism of the 50's, I'm talking about the black family structure in the 50's which was two parents in the home a mother and a father as compared today where most black families are single parent either just a mother or just a father.

3. Most is not all so it's not a generalization, but the point being is that there are more fatherless homes in the black community.

1) I won't debate you on this point yet. For now: you said 'the only thing stopping blacks is themselves'. How do you get to there from 'are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.' Is the only possible reason for continued racial inequality (other than state-mandated racism) that people of colour are bringing it upon themselves?
2) And the point you are trying to make with that information is what, exactly? That it led to a better life for black people in the 50s than what is currently the case?
3) I literally just then explained to you how it was a generalisation. It was a racist generalisation and you shouldn't have made it.

[Kramanica]

Ethnic people tend to live in communities that consist primarily of their own people. Same for whites. You really need evidence for this?

And that is as opposed to non-multicultural areas, where people of different ethnicities do mingle ??? I might have misjudged your intent but it seemed to me as though you were implying that this problem wouldn't exist if multicultural areas didn't exist.

1. Are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.

2. I not talking about government or the racism of the 50's, I'm talking about the black family structure in the 50's which was two parents in the home a mother and a father as compared today where most black families are single parent either just a mother or just a father.

3. Most is not all so it's not a generalization, but the point being is that there are more fatherless homes in the black community.

1) I won't debate you on this point yet. For now: you said 'the only thing stopping blacks is themselves'. How do you get to there from 'are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.' Is the only possible reason for continued racial inequality (other than state-mandated inequality) that people of colour are bringing it upon themselves?
2) And the point you are trying to make with that information is what, exactly? That it led to a better life for black people in the 50s than what is currently the case?
3) I literally just then explained to you how it was a generalisation. It was a racist generalisation and you shouldn't have made it.

I'm saying they don't mingle with people of other ethnicities.

[San Lumen]

No Im not. I have been there and witnessed it.

Cities suck. Overcrowded, crime-infested, smelly, noisy, and the people there have elitist attitudes and consider themselves to be more educated simply by virtue of living in a city.

I don't see how having animosity towards cities is bad.

Now whose generalizing?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti ... the-worst/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/busi ... finds.html
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/housin ... -us-report
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... n-schools/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... OD4xbU2nov
http://www.newsweek.com/2018/03/30/scho ... 55256.html

[Kramanica]

Cities suck. Overcrowded, crime-infested, smelly, noisy, and the people there have elitist attitudes and consider themselves to be more educated simply by virtue of living in a city.

I don't see how having animosity towards cities is bad.

Now whose generalizing?

Its true. American cities are completely crime-ridden. No generalization, just fact.

[San Lumen]

Now whose generalizing?

Its true. American cities are completely crime-ridden. No generalization, just fact.

Do I really have to explain statistics to you? A place like Jefferson City is going to have less crime than Charlotte. Its really not a difficult concept.

[Thanatttynia]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti ... the-worst/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/busi ... finds.html
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/housin ... -us-report
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... n-schools/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... OD4xbU2nov
http://www.newsweek.com/2018/03/30/scho ... 55256.html

Just a heads up that those links aren't working, the end of the url has been cut off?

And that is as opposed to non-multicultural areas, where people of different ethnicities do mingle ??? I might have misjudged your intent but it seemed to me as though you were implying that this problem wouldn't exist if multicultural areas didn't exist.


1) I won't debate you on this point yet. For now: you said 'the only thing stopping blacks is themselves'. How do you get to there from 'are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.' Is the only possible reason for continued racial inequality (other than state-mandated inequality) that people of colour are bringing it upon themselves?
2) And the point you are trying to make with that information is what, exactly? That it led to a better life for black people in the 50s than what is currently the case?
3) I literally just then explained to you how it was a generalisation. It was a racist generalisation and you shouldn't have made it.

I'm saying they don't mingle with people of other ethnicities.

Maybe it's because I'm tired but I don't understand what you mean by this.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/where-is-voter-discrimination-the-worst/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/busi ... finds.html
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/housin ... -us-report
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... n-schools/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... OD4xbU2nov
http://www.newsweek.com/2018/03/30/scho ... 55256.html

[Kramanica]

Its true. American cities are completely crime-ridden. No generalization, just fact.

Do I really have to explain statistics to you? A place like Jefferson City is going to have less crime than Charlotte. Its really not a difficult concept.

Oh, no, please, go ahead. Show me the crime statistics for cities in America.

[Kramanica]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/arti ... the-worst/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/busi ... finds.html
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/housin ... -us-report
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... n-schools/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... OD4xbU2nov
http://www.newsweek.com/2018/03/30/scho ... 55256.html

Just a heads up that those links aren't working, the end of the url has been cut off?

I'm saying they don't mingle with people of other ethnicities.

Maybe it's because I'm tired but I don't understand what you mean by this.

I mean exactly what I'm saying. A person in a Puerto Rican community or a black community is not going to mingle much with people outside of that community.

[Genivaria]

Do I really have to explain statistics to you? A place like Jefferson City is going to have less crime than Charlotte. Its really not a difficult concept.

Oh, no, please, go ahead. Show me the crime statistics for cities in America.

Are you claiming that denser populations tend to have higher crime rates?
This isn't exactly news.

[Kramanica]

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/where-is-voter-discrimination-the-worst/
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/busi ... finds.html
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/housin ... -us-report
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-ce ... n-schools/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... OD4xbU2nov
http://www.newsweek.com/2018/03/30/scho ... 55256.html

I don't get why you keep reposting this. The links don't even work.

[San Lumen]

Do I really have to explain statistics to you? A place like Jefferson City is going to have less crime than Charlotte. Its really not a difficult concept.

Oh, no, please, go ahead. Show me the crime statistics for cities in America.

Its something called statistics. If you have more people there is going to be higher crime. This isn't rocket science.

[Kramanica]

Oh, no, please, go ahead. Show me the crime statistics for cities in America.

Are you claiming that denser populations tend to have higher crime rates?
This isn't exactly news.

It is apparently news to San Lumen.

[Kramanica]

Oh, no, please, go ahead. Show me the crime statistics for cities in America.

Its something called statistics. If you have more people there is going to be higher crime. This isn't rocket science.

And how does that address what I said?

[San Lumen]

Are you claiming that denser populations tend to have higher crime rates?
This isn't exactly news.

It is apparently news to San Lumen.

No it isn't.

[Genivaria]

Are you claiming that denser populations tend to have higher crime rates?
This isn't exactly news.

It is apparently news to San Lumen.

That doesn't in itself mean that cities are 'crime ridden' anymore than rural areas are devoid of crime.
Compared to rural areas sure but comparing cities to each other brings the other factors to light.

[San Lumen]

Its something called statistics. If you have more people there is going to be higher crime. This isn't rocket science.

And how does that address what I said?

How do you not understand what I said?

[Northland Republic]

Ethnic people tend to live in communities that consist primarily of their own people. Same for whites. You really need evidence for this?

And that is as opposed to non-multicultural areas, where people of different ethnicities do mingle ??? I might have misjudged your intent but it seemed to me as though you were implying that this problem wouldn't exist if multicultural areas didn't exist.

1. Are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.

2. I not talking about government or the racism of the 50's, I'm talking about the black family structure in the 50's which was two parents in the home a mother and a father as compared today where most black families are single parent either just a mother or just a father.

3. Most is not all so it's not a generalization, but the point being is that there are more fatherless homes in the black community.

1) I won't debate you on this point yet. For now: you said 'the only thing stopping blacks is themselves'. How do you get to there from 'are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.' Is the only possible reason for continued racial inequality (other than state-mandated racism) that people of colour are bringing it upon themselves?
2) And the point you are trying to make with that information is what, exactly? That it led to a better life for black people in the 50s than what is currently the case?
3) I literally just then explained to you how it was a generalisation. It was a racist generalisation and you shouldn't have made it.

1. Just pointing out that there are no current laws on the books that active stop blacks or other minorities from doing anything.

2. The point I'm making is that two parent homes create better situations for everyone.

3. I'm not generalizing as I said most black people I'm not saying all black people. You're just twisting what I said as I know that not all black people think that way also I live in an inner city and I listen to other black people talk and that's how they talk, now I could be mishearing them but I have heard among a group of black people asking if he "buned her" though it could mean something else because I don't speak slang so from my understanding "bunned her" means got her pregnant or something. Also everyone generalizes at one point or another and sometimes generalizations turn out to be true.

[Kramanica]

And how does that address what I said?

How do you not understand what I said?

How does saying that areas that are more densley populated have more crime counter my point that people don't like cities because they have more crime?