Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[San Lumen]

watch the video I liked too.

Yeah, I don't really wanna watch some video from College Humor. Especially not from Adam Ruins Humor.

Why not? But since you probably won’t watch it ever hear of something called redlineing? Levittown the birthplace of suburbs was literally founded on racism

[Northland Republic]

That's not really a problem do those suburbs hang signs that read, "No Ni**ers or Spics Allows"

Do you genuinely believe that something has to be that overt to be racist?

I'm just saying how is having a suburb in area where there are a majority of white people living there racist. So yes the people living there would have to be actively doing things to keep minorities out

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You really need to use punctuation. Anyway, you yourself said that:

So you refuted your claim that "People's personal choice has no effect on you or your life because you can't control them" Also, "two different choices each with it's own outcome other people's personal choice doesn't have an effect on you unless they make a choice to do something to you directly which hardly ever happens." Is false. You know how many times people get robbed, killed, kidnapped, etc.?

You do realize how many people live in the US matters right if you look at the population as a whole and then look at the crime rate then you will see that it's a small portion of the US population while I wish that people would have respect for other people and not committee crimes against others, but that's not how the world works.

So the majority of people don't commit crimes. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen a lot.

[Thanatttynia]

Suburbs aren't racist; no one's claiming that. A suburb is not a human ergo cannot be racist - suburbs in the US were, however, established based on racist principles.

And what were these principles?

Specifically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
Also worth looking at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

[Kramanica]

Yeah, I don't really wanna watch some video from College Humor. Especially not from Adam Ruins Humor.

Why not? But since you probably won’t watch it ever hear of something called redlineing? Levittown the birthplace of suburbs was literally founded on racism

Because its propaganda. Propaganda that isn't even funny despite having 'humor' in the name.

And yeah I've heard of redlining. You mentioned it before and I told you we have laws to address it now.

So I'll ask again... how does a suburb being majority white make it racist?

[San Lumen]

Why not? But since you probably won’t watch it ever hear of something called redlineing? Levittown the birthplace of suburbs was literally founded on racism

Because its propaganda. Propaganda that isn't even funny despite having 'humor' in the name.

And yeah I've heard of redlining. You mentioned it before and I told you we have laws to address it now.

So I'll ask again... how does a suburb being majority white make it racist?

How is it propaganda? A simple law doesn’t fix decades of racist bigoted policies. Take a look at the links Thanatttynia provided

[Thanatttynia]

Do you genuinely believe that something has to be that overt to be racist?

I'm just saying how is having a suburb in area where there are a majority of white people living there racist. So yes the people living there would have to be actively doing things to keep minorities out

What we have been trying to do in this thread is get you to recognise that actions have consequences and things affect things. White-majority suburbs themselves are not racist; white people who live in white-majority suburbs are not necessarily racist. However, the reason suburbs are often white-majority and have few black people living within them isn't because white people like suburbs more than black people, it's that black people were systematically excluded from moving to the suburbs and pushed into or kept in inner cities, where crime is generally higher and opportunities are generally lesser. That's racist; it was done to them on the basis of their race.

[San Lumen]

I'm just saying how is having a suburb in area where there are a majority of white people living there racist. So yes the people living there would have to be actively doing things to keep minorities out

What we have been trying to do in this thread is get you to recognise that actions have consequences and things affect things. White-majority suburbs themselves are not racist; white people who live in white-majority suburbs are not necessarily racist. However, the reason suburbs are often white-majority and have few black people living within them isn't because white people like suburbs more than black people, it's that black people were systematically excluded from moving to the suburbs and pushed into or kept in inner cities, where crime is generally higher and opportunities are generally lesser. That's racist; it was done to them on the basis of their race.

It wasn’t just black people. It was all non whites

[Kramanica]

Because its propaganda. Propaganda that isn't even funny despite having 'humor' in the name.

And yeah I've heard of redlining. You mentioned it before and I told you we have laws to address it now.

So I'll ask again... how does a suburb being majority white make it racist?

How is it propaganda? A simple law doesn’t fix decades of racist bigoted policies. Take a look at the links Thanatttynia provided

I'm aware of the history. I'm telling you that there are laws in place to address it now.

And stop dodging. Answer the fucking question!

How does a neighborhood being majority white make it racist? Stop complaining because I called College Humor propaganda. Answer the question.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why not? But since you probably won’t watch it ever hear of something called redlineing? Levittown the birthplace of suburbs was literally founded on racism

Because its propaganda. Propaganda that isn't even funny despite having 'humor' in the name.

And yeah I've heard of redlining. You mentioned it before and I told you we have laws to address it now.

So I'll ask again... how does a suburb being majority white make it racist?

It’s racist in a different way they you think
People from suburbs are less likely to know minorities. That means they often develop deep ethnic stereotypes. So it’s kinda just a different form of racism, one that’s less harmful and more obnoxious. Note this does not mean everyone in suburbs is like this, it’s just the environment often produces this sort view

[Kramanica]

Because its propaganda. Propaganda that isn't even funny despite having 'humor' in the name.

And yeah I've heard of redlining. You mentioned it before and I told you we have laws to address it now.

So I'll ask again... how does a suburb being majority white make it racist?

It’s racist in a different way they you think
People from suburbs are less likely to know minorities. That means they often develop deep ethnic stereotypes. So it’s kinda just a different form of racism, one that’s less harmful and more obnoxious. Note this does not mean everyone in suburbs is like this, it’s just the environment often produces this sort view

Hm. I live in a (as the Left would say) ethnically diverse suburb and stereotypes still exist. Ethnic people are more than capable of believing and pushing stereotypes.

[Thanatttynia]

What we have been trying to do in this thread is get you to recognise that actions have consequences and things affect things. White-majority suburbs themselves are not racist; white people who live in white-majority suburbs are not necessarily racist. However, the reason suburbs are often white-majority and have few black people living within them isn't because white people like suburbs more than black people, it's that black people were systematically excluded from moving to the suburbs and pushed into or kept in inner cities, where crime is generally higher and opportunities are generally lesser. That's racist; it was done to them on the basis of their race.

It wasn’t just black people. It was all non whites

Yes, of course. I wanted to keep the example as specific as possible so that they might have a better chance of grasping it.

[San Lumen]

How is it propaganda? A simple law doesn’t fix decades of racist bigoted policies. Take a look at the links Thanatttynia provided

I'm aware of the history. I'm telling you that there are laws in place to address it now.

And stop dodging. Answer the fucking question!

How does a neighborhood being majority white make it racist? Stop complaining because I called College Humor propaganda. Answer the question.

It does not make it inherently racist however racism literally founded suburbia. The policies put in place prevented non whites from moving there. A law like what you mentioned is not going to fix decades of racist policies over large areas at least not quickly

[Mike the Progressive]

It’s racist in a different way they you think
People from suburbs are less likely to know minorities. That means they often develop deep ethnic stereotypes. So it’s kinda just a different form of racism, one that’s less harmful and more obnoxious. Note this does not mean everyone in suburbs is like this, it’s just the environment often produces this sort view

Hm. I live in a (as the Left would say) ethnically diverse suburb and stereotypes still exist. Ethnic people are more than capable of believing and pushing stereotypes.

Urban areas aren't any better tbh If anything ethnic groups tend to stick together, especially if it's socio-economic reasons. I hate to say it but multicultural societies are great if people mingle. Otherwise, they're problematic. And usually government intervention makes things worse (exacerbates divisions, creates resentments, etc.).

And I say that as a product of two very different cultures.

[Northland Republic]

I'm just saying how is having a suburb in area where there are a majority of white people living there racist. So yes the people living there would have to be actively doing things to keep minorities out

What we have been trying to do in this thread is get you to recognise that actions have consequences and things affect things. White-majority suburbs themselves are not racist; white people who live in white-majority suburbs are not necessarily racist. However, the reason suburbs are often white-majority and have few black people living within them isn't because white people like suburbs more than black people, it's that black people were systematically excluded from moving to the suburbs and pushed into or kept in inner cities, where crime is generally higher and opportunities are generally lesser. That's racist; it was done to them on the basis of their race.

That may have been true years ago but what's stopping minorities now. It's not the laws and it's not racism, it's the fact that most blacks have a victim mentality that everything in the country is set up against them. Which it isn't also some of the major problems in black households is black fatherlessness as studies have shown that kids who grow up in fatherless homes are more likely to be involved with gangs and commit crimes. One the best things from the 50's was that black kids were more likely than white kids to grow up in a two parent home. That may sound like non-issue but it's a very big issue and one of the reasons why the crime rate is so high in black communities well that and the "broken windows policing" that police do. In 2008 I voted for Obama because I saw a black male that one has a wife who he loves and two has two kids who he loves as well and that he wanted to be in their lives. Most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"

[Thanatttynia]

What we have been trying to do in this thread is get you to recognise that actions have consequences and things affect things. White-majority suburbs themselves are not racist; white people who live in white-majority suburbs are not necessarily racist. However, the reason suburbs are often white-majority and have few black people living within them isn't because white people like suburbs more than black people, it's that black people were systematically excluded from moving to the suburbs and pushed into or kept in inner cities, where crime is generally higher and opportunities are generally lesser. That's racist; it was done to them on the basis of their race.

That may have been true years ago but what's stopping minorities now. It's not the laws and it's not racism, it's the fact that most blacks have a victim mentality that everything in the country is set up against them.

This is flatly untrue. You can't just invent your own reasons for structural inequality and poverty.

One the best things from the 50's was that black kids were more likely than white kids to grow up in a two parent home.

????????? I'm not getting your point in any of the middle part of this paragraph, but here especially.

Most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"

This is a racist generalisation.

[Northland Republic]

That may have been true years ago but what's stopping minorities now. It's not the laws and it's not racism, it's the fact that most blacks have a victim mentality that everything in the country is set up against them.

This is flatly untrue. You can't just invent your own reasons for structural inequality and poverty.

One the best things from the 50's was that black kids were more likely than white kids to grow up in a two parent home.

????????? I'm not getting your point in any of the middle part of this paragraph, but here especially.

Most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"

This is a racist generalisation.

How is it untrue there are no laws on the books or being enforced that are stopping minorities from moving up in society. The only thing stopping blacks is themselves.

As for the second half of what I typed in the 50's when you look at the black family there were two parent homes, but today there are more single parent homes than two parent homes

As for the third thing you pointed out I said, "Most black males" I didn't say all black males so it's not a generalization

[San Lumen]

This is flatly untrue. You can't just invent your own reasons for structural inequality and poverty.


????????? I'm not getting your point in any of the middle part of this paragraph, but here especially.


This is a racist generalisation.

How is it untrue there are no laws on the books or being enforced that are stopping minorities from moving up in society. The only thing stopping blacks is themselves.

As for the second half of what I typed in the 50's when you look at the black family there were two parent homes, but today there are more single parent homes than two parent homes

As for the third thing you pointed out I said, "Most black males" I didn't say all black males so it's not a generalization

As has been explained to you repeatably decades of racist policies aren't magically fixed by a law.

Secondly there is not much opportunity in many suburbs and non whites are not moving there.

[Northland Republic]

How is it untrue there are no laws on the books or being enforced that are stopping minorities from moving up in society. The only thing stopping blacks is themselves.

As for the second half of what I typed in the 50's when you look at the black family there were two parent homes, but today there are more single parent homes than two parent homes

As for the third thing you pointed out I said, "Most black males" I didn't say all black males so it's not a generalization

As has been explained to you repeatably decades of racist policies aren't magically fixed by a law.

Secondly there is not much opportunity in many suburbs and non whites are not moving there.

That's because there is a mindset within the black community of the system being against them when it's not anymore.

So how does that make suburbs racist.

[Thanatttynia]

This is flatly untrue. You can't just invent your own reasons for structural inequality and poverty.


????????? I'm not getting your point in any of the middle part of this paragraph, but here especially.


This is a racist generalisation.

How is it untrue there are no laws on the books or being enforced that are stopping minorities from moving up in society. The only thing stopping blacks is themselves.

As for the second half of what I typed in the 50's when you look at the black family there were two parent homes, but today there are more single parent homes than two parent homes

As for the third thing you pointed out I said, "Most black males" I didn't say all black males so it's not a generalization

1) No, that's not correct.
2) Also featured in Black people's lives in the 50's: literal overt state-sponsored segregation and oppression, lynchings, being considered subhuman by a large percentage of the populace of their own country. I'm unclear what point you're trying to make by bringing in that time.
3) Yes, it's a generalisation. You said 'most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"'. That's not true. You are inferring, from a very limited knowledge of some black males who do this, that most black males do this. You are making a generalisation about 'most black males'.

[San Lumen]

As has been explained to you repeatably decades of racist policies aren't magically fixed by a law.

Secondly there is not much opportunity in many suburbs and non whites are not moving there.

That's because there is a mindset within the black community of the system being against them when it's not anymore.

So how does that make suburbs racist.

Suburbs themselves are not racist but they continue to be affected by long since repealed policies that made them so. Plus in quite a few suburbs of my city there is a large amount of racist attitudes and animosity toward the city.

[Kramanica]

Hm. I live in a (as the Left would say) ethnically diverse suburb and stereotypes still exist. Ethnic people are more than capable of believing and pushing stereotypes.

Urban areas aren't any better tbh If anything ethnic groups tend to stick together, especially if it's socio-economic reasons. I hate to say it but multicultural societies are great if people mingle. Otherwise, they're problematic. And usually government intervention makes things worse (exacerbates divisions, creates resentments, etc.).

And I say that as a product of two very different cultures.

I would say the biggest problem (besides government intervention) in multicultural areas is that people don't mingle.

[Kramanica]

I'm aware of the history. I'm telling you that there are laws in place to address it now.

And stop dodging. Answer the fucking question!

How does a neighborhood being majority white make it racist? Stop complaining because I called College Humor propaganda. Answer the question.

It does not make it inherently racist however racism literally founded suburbia. The policies put in place prevented non whites from moving there. A law like what you mentioned is not going to fix decades of racist policies over large areas at least not quickly

Then please stop believing that if a suburb is majority white it must be due to racism.

[Thanatttynia]

Urban areas aren't any better tbh If anything ethnic groups tend to stick together, especially if it's socio-economic reasons. I hate to say it but multicultural societies are great if people mingle. Otherwise, they're problematic. And usually government intervention makes things worse (exacerbates divisions, creates resentments, etc.).

And I say that as a product of two very different cultures.

I would say the biggest problem (besides government intervention) in multicultural areas is that people don't mingle.

Evidence for this? In my experience, people from multicultural areas mingle with people from ethnicities and cultures other than their own a lot.

[Northland Republic]

How is it untrue there are no laws on the books or being enforced that are stopping minorities from moving up in society. The only thing stopping blacks is themselves.

As for the second half of what I typed in the 50's when you look at the black family there were two parent homes, but today there are more single parent homes than two parent homes

As for the third thing you pointed out I said, "Most black males" I didn't say all black males so it's not a generalization

1) No, that's not correct.
2) Also featured in Black people's lives in the 50's: literal overt state-sponsored segregation and oppression, lynchings, being considered subhuman by a large percentage of the populace of their own country. I'm unclear what point you're trying to make by bringing in that time.
3) Yes, it's a generalisation. You said 'most black males see having kids as a burden or some kind of "right of passage"'. That's not true. You are inferring, from a very limited knowledge of some black males who do this, that most black males do this. You are making a generalisation about 'most black males'.

1. Are there any current laws right now that stop black people from moving up in society? The answer is no.

2. I not talking about government or the racism of the 50's, I'm talking about the black family structure in the 50's which was two parents in the home a mother and a father as compared today where most black families are single parent either just a mother or just a father.

3. Most is not all so it's not a generalization, but the point being is that there are more fatherless homes in the black community.