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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 02, 2018 1:41 pm

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>mfw America will never go on a liberation crusade across the world to stop such nonsense

Feels bad man

You'd bitch about the cost. :p


We can make the money back by looting oil and natural resources. If we're gonna be accused of doing it we might as well, no?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Dunno

Ok, then we can ask him.
San Lumen, are you Muslim?
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fifth columnist Islamists and those sorts

Oh, ok.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Most of your fellow Islamists would reply with "shariah law"

Or would it be "some"? Either way, the Holy Qur'an doesn't say homosexuals should be executed.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Post War America » Wed May 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Caraani wrote:I actually wrote a long reply about what it did to Europe, but I deleted it after realizing most of the people here are left-wing regressives that will inevitably call me racist and what not. Bottom line was, it was done terribly in Europe, because those who come in by the millions segregate themselves, don't engage with the local communities, are left out, end up unemployed because they never bothered to engage, probably live on social wellfare, furthering the divide, and come from a culture that is almost if not entirely incompatible with our own, the only outcome being that they will integrate (unlikely), be kicked out of the EU, or take over thanks to the fact that they make 4-5 children, whereas we only make 1.50 or so.


You know you could make your point without resorting to ad hominem yes?
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Postby Caraani » Wed May 02, 2018 1:42 pm

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Caraani wrote:No, that ain't going to make me anti-immigration. They have a right to come here and become citizens if they integrate - and we should help them integrate as well.

But I prefer to deal with things on an individual basis. To me, a person who's an immigrant who hates freedom doesn't mean that all immigrants hate freedom.
That's.... it's more of a stereotype instead of a generalization.

Plus, if their religion makes them hate gays, that's the person's problem. They can practice their religion how ever they want until it infringes on the rights of others.


Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

I love it when uneducated right wingers decide to say that all muslims are rapists, acid attackers and terrorists.
Seriously, why don't you pick on Christianity for hating gays? Leviticus 20:13.
Because the stupid agenda that Orban and the rest of the media feeds you is so clearly true. It's not like a majority of muslims in the UK integrate. My mother came here in 2001 to work as a GP, is she a terrorist in your eyes because she's a muslim?
A simple fact is that nearly every muslim hates ISIS and terrorists, because they're hurting innocent people which is against Islam.
Please educate yourself, mon frere.[/quote]

Too bad I'm a centrist that tends towards the left in most cases, babe. This is why I stopped associating with the left.
Also, too bad most Christians are agnostics that don't give a shit about Leviticus 20:13, like they don't about shrimp, clothes made of mixed textures, and adultery. Too bad most Muslims do. But don't mind me, I'm a right winger uncultured swine that cannot even read, so my points are obviously fake news. Also-... I'll sooner set myself on fire than be associated with Orban, so you can gladly put him up your ass. I don't follow Fox News either, but you probably do; the left wing equivalent. And they worked miracles on you. Also, while most muslims hate ISIS, most muslims also support Sharia Law, which is draconian, and medieval. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -overview/
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Postby Valgora » Wed May 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Caraani wrote:Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population,

I highly doubt they're coming here by the millions unless you're talking about a fairly long time frame.
and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed.

Do you really believe non-whites are the blame for all of that?
Plenty of Americans have or do cat-calling - ever seen old cartoons, it happens a lot.
Christians have believed being gay is bad and still do. Back in the day they even killed them, and I'm sure that there's many who want gays dead.
You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one?

That ain't a good reason to say that they can't come here.
And yes, we can deal with it on an individual basis. The person made the choice to do such a thing and if they do, they should be punished. But that's not a reason to deny immigrants their rights.
If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you.

Sweet merciful Jesus Christ
This is an incredibly stupid and idiotic comparison.
Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

I prefer freedom over security. And immigrants have rights too.
If an immigrant does something illegal, we can deal with it with out saying "fuck all immigrants".

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Dunno

Ok, then we can ask him.
San Lumen, are you Muslim?
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fifth columnist Islamists and those sorts

Oh, ok.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Most of your fellow Islamists would reply with "shariah law"

Or would it be "some"? Either way, the Holy Qur'an doesn't say homosexuals should be executed.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Caraani wrote:But don't mind me, I'm a right winger uncultured swine that cannot even read, so my points are obviously fake news.

You shouldn't talk about yourself like that
Caraani wrote:Also, while most muslims hate ISIS, most muslims also support Sharia Law: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -overview/

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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Fifth columnist Islamists and those sorts

Oh, ok.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Most of your fellow Islamists would reply with "shariah law"

Or would it be "some"? Either way, the Holy Qur'an doesn't say homosexuals should be executed.


Please don't strike the fifth columnist part, it's the most important bit in that description.

It would be most. Polling involving Muslims shows that they don't have the kindest opinions about LGBT folks, to put it lightly.
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Postby Caraani » Wed May 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Post War America wrote:
Caraani wrote:I actually wrote a long reply about what it did to Europe, but I deleted it after realizing most of the people here are left-wing regressives that will inevitably call me racist and what not. Bottom line was, it was done terribly in Europe, because those who come in by the millions segregate themselves, don't engage with the local communities, are left out, end up unemployed because they never bothered to engage, probably live on social wellfare, furthering the divide, and come from a culture that is almost if not entirely incompatible with our own, the only outcome being that they will integrate (unlikely), be kicked out of the EU, or take over thanks to the fact that they make 4-5 children, whereas we only make 1.50 or so.


You know you could make your point without resorting to ad hominem yes?

Yeah, but that would mean not acknowledging the fact that the left has become, in many countries, the enabler of that which has happened to Europe in the last decades, as well as the way they systematically destroy the very meaning of words such as Racist and Xenophobic, in their crusade to vilify anyone that doesn't agree with their multiculturalism.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Ok, then we can ask him.
San Lumen, are you Muslim?

Oh, ok.

Or would it be "some"? Either way, the Holy Qur'an doesn't say homosexuals should be executed.

Im Jewish

To WRA: then why should San Lumen be subject to Shari'ah if he isn't Muslim?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 02, 2018 1:46 pm

Caraani wrote:
Nunavutialand wrote:
Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

I love it when uneducated right wingers decide to say that all muslims are rapists, acid attackers and terrorists.
Seriously, why don't you pick on Christianity for hating gays? Leviticus 20:13.
Because the stupid agenda that Orban and the rest of the media feeds you is so clearly true. It's not like a majority of muslims in the UK integrate. My mother came here in 2001 to work as a GP, is she a terrorist in your eyes because she's a muslim?
A simple fact is that nearly every muslim hates ISIS and terrorists, because they're hurting innocent people which is against Islam.
Please educate yourself, mon frere.


Too bad I'm a centrist that tends towards the left in most cases, babe. This is why I stopped associating with the left.
Also, too bad most Christians are agnostics that don't give a shit about Leviticus 20:13, like they don't about shrimp, clothes made of mixed textures, and adultery. Too bad most Muslims do. But don't mind me, I'm a right winger uncultured swine that cannot even read, so my points are obviously fake news. Also-... I'll sooner set myself on fire than be associated with Orban, so you can gladly put him up your ass. I don't follow Fox News either, but you probably do; the left wing equivalent. And they worked miracles on you. Also, while most muslims hate ISIS, most muslims also support Sharia Law, which is draconian, and medieval. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -overview/[/quote]
There is a big difference between polling and making law. I dont see a huge number of Muslims members of government in Germany or Canada trying to implement laws to allow floggings or make being gay a crime.

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Postby Caraani » Wed May 02, 2018 1:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

Wow Jesus Christ because maybe homosexuality isn't comparable to rape?

It is to these "civilized" people.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Caraani wrote:they systematically destroy the very meaning of words such as Racist and Xenophobic

Proof?
Caraani wrote:in their crusade to vilify anyone that doesn't agree with their multiculturalism.

Disagreements =/= vilification
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Caraani wrote:
Post War America wrote:
You know you could make your point without resorting to ad hominem yes?

Yeah, but that would mean not acknowledging the fact that the left has become, in many countries, the enabler of that which has happened to Europe in the last decades, as well as the way they systematically destroy the very meaning of words such as Racist and Xenophobic, in their crusade to vilify anyone that doesn't agree with their multiculturalism.

So what is a racist or xenophobe to you?

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Postby Valgora » Wed May 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im Jewish

To WRA: then why should San Lumen be subject to Shari'ah if he isn't Muslim?

Because we both know that a theocracy that wants Shari'ah won't like others who ain't Muslim.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Shari'ah doesn't allow one to leave Islam either.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 02, 2018 1:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im Jewish

To WRA: then why should San Lumen be subject to Shari'ah if he isn't Muslim?


I dunno, why don't you go ask your fellow Muslims who insist it must be that way? It's not exactly a rare opinion.
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Postby Caraani » Wed May 02, 2018 1:49 pm

Nunavutialand wrote:
Caraani wrote:You're hard pressed to find rapists and sex offenders that are actually punished in the ever-peaceful and perfect Saudi Arabia, epitome of an Islamic state. I didn't actually want to reply to you, since, well, you can figure that for yourself, but if you hate the US so much, and are a Muslim, why not move to Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't that make more sense? I don't get Muslims who are so critical of the west, yet live all the while in it. If I were a Muslim, I'd probably want to move to Saudi Arabia.

I personally hate Saudi Arabia because of the disgusting monarchy that I despise.
You're assuming we like the country because it contains a few holy sites. That's not true at all.

Also, muslims who are critical who are actually credible, are usually critical of the MUH FREEDOM LIBERATION WAR TIME of Iraq and the intervention in Syria.

Liberal Muslims are a minority that is being poisoned, and squashed, by both the right, and, most importantly, the left, which enables the worst type of muslims in the west.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:49 pm

Valgora wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:To WRA: then why should San Lumen be subject to Shari'ah if he isn't Muslim?

Because we both know that a theocracy that wants Shari'ah won't like others who ain't Muslim.

Except it should. Freedom of religion and all
Valgora wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure that Shari'ah doesn't allow one to leave Islam either.

That's a debated topic in the Ummah and outside it.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Post War America » Wed May 02, 2018 1:50 pm

Caraani wrote:
Post War America wrote:
You know you could make your point without resorting to ad hominem yes?

Yeah, but that would mean not acknowledging the fact that the left has become, in many countries, the enabler of that which has happened to Europe in the last decades, as well as the way they systematically destroy the very meaning of words such as Racist and Xenophobic, in their crusade to vilify anyone that doesn't agree with their multiculturalism.


Daily reminder that liberals =/= left aside, I would point out that you're making the exact sort of sweeping generalizations you demonize liberals for making.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:To WRA: then why should San Lumen be subject to Shari'ah if he isn't Muslim?


I dunno, why don't you go ask your fellow Muslims who insist it must be that way? It's not exactly a rare opinion.

Most Muslims up here don't think non-Muslims should be subject to Islamic law.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 02, 2018 1:51 pm

Caraani wrote:
Nunavutialand wrote:I personally hate Saudi Arabia because of the disgusting monarchy that I despise.
You're assuming we like the country because it contains a few holy sites. That's not true at all.

Also, muslims who are critical who are actually credible, are usually critical of the MUH FREEDOM LIBERATION WAR TIME of Iraq and the intervention in Syria.

Liberal Muslims are a minority that is being poisoned, and squashed, by both the right, and, most importantly, the left, which enables the worst type of muslims in the west.

>Liberal Muslims
What's that supposed to mean?
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Postby Nunavutialand » Wed May 02, 2018 1:52 pm

Caraani wrote:Also, while most muslims hate ISIS, most muslims also support Sharia Law, which is draconian, and medieval. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -overview/

In their own countries.
Most muslims in western nations don't care much for Sharia.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 02, 2018 1:52 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I dunno, why don't you go ask your fellow Muslims who insist it must be that way? It's not exactly a rare opinion.

Most Muslims up here don't think non-Muslims should be subject to Islamic law.


I don't particularly care about what Muslims in your area think, I'm speaking on a global level.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Caraani wrote:Liberal Muslims are a minority that is being poisoned, and squashed, by both the right, and, most importantly, the left, which enables the worst type of muslims in the west.

>Liberal Muslims
What's that supposed to mean?


You know, Muslims who have realized that whipping people for being gay is evil?
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Postby Valgora » Wed May 02, 2018 1:53 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Valgora wrote:Because we both know that a theocracy that wants Shari'ah won't like others who ain't Muslim.

Except it should. Freedom of religion and all

A theocracy ain't going to give a shit.
You're being delusional thinking that it would.
If religion is so important to a gov't that it is a theocracy, it's going to want people to be the same religion as the gov't because that gives the government more power.

Valgora wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure that Shari'ah doesn't allow one to leave Islam either.

That's a debated topic in the Ummah and outside it.

So that changes according to the country or sect?
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 02, 2018 1:54 pm

The immigrant caravan that went through Mexico and reached the US border crossing really gets me angry. Ideally, none of them are to be let in. This is nothing but a publicity stunt intentionally taken to test Donald Trump's administration.
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