Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Valgora]

What culture is incompatible with our own?

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

That is incompatible. However, if that's a stereotype, it's not very valid.

Of course, if they come to the US, they can practice their religion however they want, until it infringes on the rights of others.

[San Lumen]

What culture is incompatible with our own?

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

Some Muslims believe that. Please give an example of where that has happened anywhere in Europe or the Americas.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Amazing everything in that statement is wrong.

This. This is what I meant.

San lumen didn't do anything wrong. Expect people to disagree with you, because this site has people from just about every political background up here (I've learned many new ones in my stay here, I think it's been a little over a year now).
For example, I disagree with what you said, and I'll explain why:

I actually wrote a long reply about what it did to Europe, but I deleted it after realizing most of the people here are left-wing regressives that will inevitably call me racist and what not.

Like I said before, expect people up here to disagree with you. Also, don't stereotype political groups

Bottom line was, it was done terribly in Europe, because those who come in by the millions segregate themselves

Proof that it's only them?

don't engage with the local communities

Well yes, being in a refugee camp or in the ghetto with little opportunity will do that.

are left out, end up unemployed because they never bothered to engage

Stats show that it'll take around 5-10 years for immigrants to properly settle into their new homes. Be patient

probably live on social wellfare

Just like any poor person

furthering the divide

Yes, class division is bad.

and come from a culture that is almost if not entirely incompatible with our own, the only outcome being that they will integrate (unlikely), be kicked out of the EU, or take over thanks to the fact that they make 4-5 children, whereas we only make 1.50 or so.

Then make more kids.

[Caraani]

Luxemburgist/Syndicalist, brony, metalhead
Valgora =+/-IRL views
8 Values

Pro - Socialism/communism, Palestine, space exploration, left libertarianism, BLM, guns, LGBTQ, Industrial Hemp
Anti - Trump, Hilary, capitalism, authoritarianism, Gun Control, Police, Automation of the workforce

The thing is, and I know it's obnoxious of me, and at that very obnoxious, but I simply cannot imagine talking to a person that is pro communism, and anti capitalism, and expect to have a real discussion. That's why I said I deleted my first comment. I don't have high expectations. Also, if you're pro-LGBTQ, and anti-authoritarianism, you ought to be anti-immigration, as most people coming in think gays are not a real thing, but if they are they should be killed on sight, and support autocratic governments, while hating most things leftist stand for, such as freedom, and free speech.

No, that ain't going to make me anti-immigration. They have a right to come here and become citizens if they integrate - and we should help them integrate as well.

But I prefer to deal with things on an individual basis. To me, a person who's an immigrant who hates freedom doesn't mean that all immigrants hate freedom.
That's.... it's more of a stereotype instead of a generalization.

Plus, if their religion makes them hate gays, that's the person's problem. They can practice their religion how ever they want until it infringes on the rights of others.

Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

[Valgora]

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

Some Muslims believe that. Please give an example of where that has happened anywhere in Europe or the Americas.

It probably has happened.
If so, those doing it would be a very small group. And would have been punished for it.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What culture is incompatible with our own?

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

[San Lumen]

No, that ain't going to make me anti-immigration. They have a right to come here and become citizens if they integrate - and we should help them integrate as well.

But I prefer to deal with things on an individual basis. To me, a person who's an immigrant who hates freedom doesn't mean that all immigrants hate freedom.
That's.... it's more of a stereotype instead of a generalization.

Plus, if their religion makes them hate gays, that's the person's problem. They can practice their religion how ever they want until it infringes on the rights of others.

Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

No actually they dont. A small minority engages in what you say they do. You are not going to have floggings allowed and same sex marriage criminalized any time soon in Germany or the UK.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

Some Muslims believe that.

You've been given polling several times to show you that it's not "some". That sort of attitude is very common in the global Muslim population.

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

Because I believe Lumen has said he's gay in the past and more than a few of your ilk would happily whip him a hundred times in public before executing him.

[Conserative Morality]

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

Wow Jesus Christ because maybe homosexuality isn't comparable to rape?

[Kubumba Tribe]

No, that ain't going to make me anti-immigration. They have a right to come here and become citizens if they integrate - and we should help them integrate as well.

But I prefer to deal with things on an individual basis. To me, a person who's an immigrant who hates freedom doesn't mean that all immigrants hate freedom.
That's.... it's more of a stereotype instead of a generalization.

Plus, if their religion makes them hate gays, that's the person's problem. They can practice their religion how ever they want until it infringes on the rights of others.

Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

Considering that the attackers are such a small minority of the immigrants, on top of the fact that most of the attackers were born in Europe, idk what point you're making here. Also, human beings aren't ice cream, don't compare people like that.

[San Lumen]

Some Muslims believe that.

You've been given polling several times to show you that it's not "some". That sort of attitude is very common in the global Muslim population.

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

Because I believe Lumen has said he's gay in the past and more than a few of your ilk would happily whip him a hundred times in public before executing him.

Polling and action are two different things.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

Wow Jesus Christ because maybe homosexuality isn't comparable to rape?

Ik?

[Nunavutialand]

No, that ain't going to make me anti-immigration. They have a right to come here and become citizens if they integrate - and we should help them integrate as well.

But I prefer to deal with things on an individual basis. To me, a person who's an immigrant who hates freedom doesn't mean that all immigrants hate freedom.
That's.... it's more of a stereotype instead of a generalization.

Plus, if their religion makes them hate gays, that's the person's problem. They can practice their religion how ever they want until it infringes on the rights of others.

Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population, and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed. You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one? If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you. Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.[/quote]
I love it when uneducated right wingers decide to say that all muslims are rapists, acid attackers and terrorists.
Seriously, why don't you pick on Christianity for hating gays? Leviticus 20:13.
Because the stupid agenda that Orban and the rest of the media feeds you is so clearly true. It's not like a majority of muslims in the UK integrate. My mother came here in 2001 to work as a GP, is she a terrorist in your eyes because she's a muslim?
A simple fact is that nearly every muslim hates ISIS and terrorists, because they're hurting innocent people which is against Islam.
Please educate yourself, mon frere.

[Caraani]

Stereotypical Islamic culture. Have you ever responded about how you feel you that Muslims on this very board support whipping gay people a hundred times and that such a position has very wide support?

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

You're hard pressed to find rapists and sex offenders that are actually punished in the ever-peaceful and perfect Saudi Arabia, epitome of an Islamic state. I didn't actually want to reply to you, since, well, you can figure that for yourself, but if you hate the US so much, and are a Muslim, why not move to Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't that make more sense? I don't get Muslims who are so critical of the west, yet live all the while in it. If I were a Muslim, I'd probably want to move to Saudi Arabia.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because I believe Lumen has said he's gay in the past and more than a few of your ilk would happily whip him a hundred times in public before executing him.

Ok, 3 things to point out here:
1: Is San Lumen Muslim?
2: Who is "my ilk"?
3: Why should San Lumen be executed?

[Conserative Morality]

You've been given polling several times to show you that it's not "some". That sort of attitude is very common in the global Muslim population.

Global populations are generally not friendly.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

You're hard pressed to find rapists and sex offenders that are actually punished in the ever-peaceful and perfect Saudi Arabia, epitome of an Islamic state. I didn't actually want to reply to you, since, well, you can figure that for yourself, but if you hate the US so much, and are a Muslim, why not move to Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't that make more sense? I don't get Muslims who are so critical of the west, yet live all the while in it. If I were a Muslim, I'd probably want to move to Saudi Arabia.

Shows how much you know about us. Muslims have varying opinions about Saudi Arabia. Also, if anything, it is not and Islamic nation. And no, idk why you didn't want to reply.

[Nunavutialand]

And fornicators, adulterers, rapists, sex offenders. Idk why you're singling homosexuals out.

You're hard pressed to find rapists and sex offenders that are actually punished in the ever-peaceful and perfect Saudi Arabia, epitome of an Islamic state. I didn't actually want to reply to you, since, well, you can figure that for yourself, but if you hate the US so much, and are a Muslim, why not move to Saudi Arabia? Wouldn't that make more sense? I don't get Muslims who are so critical of the west, yet live all the while in it. If I were a Muslim, I'd probably want to move to Saudi Arabia.

I personally hate Saudi Arabia because of the disgusting monarchy that I despise.
You're assuming we like the country because it contains a few holy sites. That's not true at all.

Also, muslims who are critical who are actually credible, are usually critical of the MUH FREEDOM LIBERATION WAR TIME of Iraq and the intervention in Syria.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Ok, 3 things to point out here:
1: Is San Lumen Muslim?

Dunno

2: Who is "my ilk"?

Fifth columnist Islamists and those sorts

3: Why should San Lumen be executed?

Most of your fellow Islamists would reply with "shariah law"

[Valgora]

Too bad these people come here by the millions, and are quickly becoming 5 to 10% of our population,

I highly doubt they're coming here by the millions unless you're talking about a fairly long time frame.

and they think women should be cat-called, many of them think women that dress "indecently" are somehow asking for it, and that gay people should be killed.

Do you really believe non-whites are the blame for all of that?
Plenty of Americans have or do cat-calling - ever seen old cartoons, it happens a lot.
Christians have believed being gay is bad and still do. Back in the day they even killed them, and I'm sure that there's many who want gays dead.

You are inviting cancer into your society. You say you prefer to deal with them on an individual basis, so what, are you ok with all the attacks, the rapes, the acid attacks happening, because we can deal with them one by one?

That ain't a good reason to say that they can't come here.
And yes, we can deal with it on an individual basis. The person made the choice to do such a thing and if they do, they should be punished. But that's not a reason to deny immigrants their rights.

If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you.

Sweet merciful Jesus Christ
This is an incredibly stupid and idiotic comparison.

Yet you are ready to gamble with the security of hundreds and thousands, of the job security of cartoonists, satirists, journalists, policemen, of the basic security that one has (or should have) when going around the city at night for women and gays, because not all of them are like this. Too bad a giant portion of muslims hold illiberal beliefs, in some cases, at least in the west, criminal, beliefs.

I prefer freedom over security. And immigrants have rights too.
If an immigrant does something illegal, we can deal with it with out saying "fuck all immigrants".

But hey, you're from f**king Iceland, probably nobody in your family, or that is your friend, has died, or been raped; hell, I'll go further, you've probably never even seen it on tv, the mass rapes on Cologne, or the monthly Islamist attacks. So it's all good. Let's be multicultural.

I'm from Arkansas.
My mother was sexually abused by her stepfather - who was white.
I ain't multicultural - I support the Melting Pot idea.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You've been given polling several times to show you that it's not "some". That sort of attitude is very common in the global Muslim population.

Global populations are generally not friendly.

>mfw America will never go on a liberation crusade across the world to stop such nonsense

Feels bad man

[Conserative Morality]

Wow Jesus Christ because maybe homosexuality isn't comparable to rape?

Ik?

Then it should be obvious why the punishment for homosexuality is being singled out.

[San Lumen]

Ok, 3 things to point out here:
1: Is San Lumen Muslim?

Dunno

2: Who is "my ilk"?

Fifth columnist Islamists and those sorts

3: Why should San Lumen be executed?

Most of your fellow Islamists would reply with "shariah law"

For the record Im not Muslim Im Jewish.

[Conserative Morality]

Global populations are generally not friendly.

>mfw America will never go on a liberation crusade across the world to stop such nonsense

Feels bad man

You'd bitch about the cost.

[Petrasylvania]

If three out of the ten ice cream flavours they sell you at an ice cream parlor are poisoned, and may as well kill you, you probably won't say "Hey, you know what, I prefer to deal with the flavours individually, so I'll assume these risks." No, you will probably, if you are not insane, choose to go to another ice cream parlor where you are sure nothing will kill you.

Sweet merciful Jesus Christ
This is an incredibly stupid and idiotic comparison.

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