Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Northland Republic]

or they could have been booing the war in Iraq we can't assume that they were booing the soldier for being gay

Bullshit they were booing the war in Iraq.

The only mention of Iraq was basically just - "a soldier serving in Iraq" and "when I was deployed to Iraq".

Those people were not booing the Iraq War, they were booing the idea of getting rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell and that he was gay.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell wasn't bad because it was saying that no one cares if you like guys or girls all the military should care about is if you will back up your fellow soldiers fighting beside you

[Valgora]

Bullshit they were booing the war in Iraq.

The only mention of Iraq was basically just - "a soldier serving in Iraq" and "when I was deployed to Iraq".

Those people were not booing the Iraq War, they were booing the idea of getting rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell and that he was gay.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell wasn't bad because it was saying that no one cares if you like guys or girls all the military should care about is if you will back up your fellow soldiers fighting beside you

DADT was bad.
It bared anyone openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual from being in the military.
Obviously, being openly heterosexual was fine.
So homosexuals would basically have to lie about who they are just to be in the military.

[Conserative Morality]

Bullshit they were booing the war in Iraq.

The only mention of Iraq was basically just - "a soldier serving in Iraq" and "when I was deployed to Iraq".

Those people were not booing the Iraq War, they were booing the idea of getting rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell and that he was gay.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell wasn't bad because it was saying that no one cares if you like guys or girls all the military should care about is if you will back up your fellow soldiers fighting beside you

No, DADT said the opposite. It said that people care - so keep your mouth shut, because if they find out it will negatively affect you and thus the unit.

[Genivaria]

Also, I'd like to point that that was very insensitive, what those booers did.

It's got nothing to do with being 'sensitive', it's the fact that a military veteran asked a question of why his rights were considered to be inferior by those on stage and instead of respectfully letting him speak his peace they (members of the party which claim to be the patriotic one) start to boo a veteran because they don't like what he says, and not one candidate on stage condemned them.
If that doesn't reveal a lack of character than I don't know what does.

[Petrasylvania]

People booing the Iraq War in a Republican debate. That is some gold medal mental gymnastics.

there were more than just Republicans at that debate there were Libertarians and independents there as well also not every Republican agreed with the Iraq War

Which is why they didn't boo at the mention of Iraq but after he asked Santorum if he was going to undermine LGBT progress in the military.



You have the talent to work in the Trump White House. Might even replace Sarah as Communications Director when she gets fired.

[Genivaria]

Bullshit they were booing the war in Iraq.

The only mention of Iraq was basically just - "a soldier serving in Iraq" and "when I was deployed to Iraq".

Those people were not booing the Iraq War, they were booing the idea of getting rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell and that he was gay.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell wasn't bad because it was saying that no one cares if you like guys or girls all the military should care about is if you will back up your fellow soldiers fighting beside you

So either you are lying or you don't bother to understand what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
Yes DADT DOES care about their sexuality because it will discharge you from the military if they find out.

Seriously there are right-wingers here who can smell your bullshit.

If you support bringing back DADT then you support weakening our military and attacking our veterans.
You are the opposite of a patriot.

[Northland Republic]

Don't Ask, Don't Tell wasn't bad because it was saying that no one cares if you like guys or girls all the military should care about is if you will back up your fellow soldiers fighting beside you

DADT was bad.
It bared anyone openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual from being in the military.
Obviously, being openly heterosexual was fine.
So homosexuals would basically have to lie about who they are just to be in the military.

Why do homosexuals have to be so open about their sexuality anyway I'm Bi and I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops because in realty no one give a shit.

[Northland Republic]

there were more than just Republicans at that debate there were Libertarians and independents there as well also not every Republican agreed with the Iraq War

Which is why they didn't boo at the mention of Iraq but after he asked Santorum if he was going to undermine LGBT progress in the military.



You have the talent to work in the Trump White House. Might even replace Sarah as Communications Director when she gets fired.

I wouldn't mind working in Trump's admin I would ride his coattails into an elected position of my own

[Genivaria]

DADT was bad.
It bared anyone openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual from being in the military.
Obviously, being openly heterosexual was fine.
So homosexuals would basically have to lie about who they are just to be in the military.

Why do homosexuals have to be so open about their sexuality anyway I'm Bi and I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops because in realty no one give a shit.

And yet you want anyone who mentions it kicked out of the military, why do you hate our soldiers?

[Genivaria]

Which is why they didn't boo at the mention of Iraq but after he asked Santorum if he was going to undermine LGBT progress in the military.



You have the talent to work in the Trump White House. Might even replace Sarah as Communications Director when she gets fired.

I wouldn't mind working in Trump's admin I would ride his coattails into an elected position of my own

Looking for other ways to sabotage the US huh?

[Northland Republic]

Why do homosexuals have to be so open about their sexuality anyway I'm Bi and I don't go around shouting it from the rooftops because in realty no one give a shit.

And yet you want anyone who mentions it kicked out of the military, why do you hate our soldiers?

I didn't say that it should have been in Bill Clinton's Executive Order, but it was a compromise that allowed Gays to join the military after the whole cold war mentality of thinking that gays were more likely to be communists or swayed into communism

[Northland Republic]

I wouldn't mind working in Trump's admin I would ride his coattails into an elected position of my own

Looking for other ways to sabotage the US huh?

No, I want to reduce the size of government so it pretty much stays out of people's lives

[Genivaria]

And yet you want anyone who mentions it kicked out of the military, why do you hate our soldiers?

I didn't say that it should have been in Bill Clinton's Executive Order, but it was a compromise that allowed Gays to join the military after the whole cold war mentality of thinking that gays were more likely to be communists or swayed into communism

Yes it was a compromise for its day, now that we've moved passed it there's no reason to long for it.

[Northland Republic]

I didn't say that it should have been in Bill Clinton's Executive Order, but it was a compromise that allowed Gays to join the military after the whole cold war mentality of thinking that gays were more likely to be communists or swayed into communism

Yes it was a compromise for its day, now that we've moved passed it there's no reason to long for it.

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

[Valgora]

Yes it was a compromise for its day, now that we've moved passed it there's no reason to long for it.

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

In away, DADT did exactly that.
Just instead of asking, they kept open homosexuals from being able to join the military.

[Genivaria]

Yes it was a compromise for its day, now that we've moved passed it there's no reason to long for it.

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

Santorum is a POS who equates consenting same-sex adults to adultery and incest.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes it was a compromise for its day, now that we've moved passed it there's no reason to long for it.

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

.... it doesn't, anymore.

[Genivaria]

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

.... it doesn't, anymore.

And the US Armed Forces is just a bit more meritocratic as a result.

[Northland Republic]

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

Santorum is a POS who equates consenting same-sex adults to adultery and incest.

I didn't say I agreed with him on everything just that one thing

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

In away, DADT did exactly that.
Just instead of asking, they kept open homosexuals from being able to join the military.

It didn't keep openly gay people from joining the military they just saw it that way they could have joined just after they joined they wouldn't be able to talk about their sexuality. Though we're getting off topic of this thread about diversity

[Northland Republic]

I agree with what Santorum said that the military shouldn't even ask about sexual orientation at all

.... it doesn't, anymore.

.... it doesn't, anymore.

And the US Armed Forces is just a bit more meritocratic as a result.

that's good and as it should be hell life should be meritocratic

[Valgora]

Santorum is a POS who equates consenting same-sex adults to adultery and incest.

I didn't say I agreed with him on everything just that one thing

In away, DADT did exactly that.
Just instead of asking, they kept open homosexuals from being able to join the military.

It didn't keep openly gay people from joining the military they just saw it that way they could have joined just after they joined they wouldn't be able to talk about their sexuality. Though we're getting off topic of this thread about diversity

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

[Gharrow]

I didn't say I agreed with him on everything just that one thing



It didn't keep openly gay people from joining the military they just saw it that way they could have joined just after they joined they wouldn't be able to talk about their sexuality. Though we're getting off topic of this thread about diversity

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

Why isn't it better to stay closeted? In a military situation, you want your comrades to think of you as the same as them, not that you're different in some way. The whole point of a lot of the training is to build bonds between units. Stuff like being gay or bi or whatever is controversial and could sow discord between soldiers that could be easily avoided.

[Northland Republic]

I didn't say I agreed with him on everything just that one thing



It didn't keep openly gay people from joining the military they just saw it that way they could have joined just after they joined they wouldn't be able to talk about their sexuality. Though we're getting off topic of this thread about diversity

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

They wouldn't be "in the closet" as they would know and accept their sexuality just because you don't go around telling people your sexuality doesn't mean you're "in the closet" as long as a person accepts who they are they don't have to justify it to anyone

[Valgora]

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

They wouldn't be "in the closet" as they would know and accept their sexuality just because you don't go around telling people your sexuality doesn't mean you're "in the closet" as long as a person accepts who they are they don't have to justify it to anyone

Yes, they would be in the closet because they have to hide their sexuality.
Being open about being gay doesn't mean someone is going around telling people about their sexuality, being open means you don't fuckin' hide it.
DADT forced soldiers to hide their sexuality - they couldn't talk about relationships or anything, because then they could get into trouble.
If we were in the military during DADT - we could talk about fuckin' all the chicks while the gays couldn't say shit.
You could be as open as you wanted about being heterosexual.

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

Why isn't it better to stay closeted? In a military situation, you want your comrades to think of you as the same as them, not that you're different in some way. The whole point of a lot of the training is to build bonds between units. Stuff like being gay or bi or whatever is controversial and could sow discord between soldiers that could be easily avoided.

Preventing sowing discord between soldiers is a bullshit excuse.
The American Psychological Association said in 2004 that DADT "discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation" and that "Empirical evidence fails to show that sexual orientation is germane to any aspect of military effectiveness including unit cohesion, morale, recruitment and retention."

[Petrasylvania]

1. It literally kept those who were openly gay, lesbian, and bisexual from joining the military. You had to stay closeted.
2. Talking about homosexuals can arguably be on topic for a thread about diversity.

Why isn't it better to stay closeted? In a military situation, you want your comrades to think of you as the same as them, not that you're different in some way. The whole point of a lot of the training is to build bonds between units. Stuff like being gay or bi or whatever is controversial and could sow discord between soldiers that could be easily avoided.

Anyone who assumes that someone openly gay will hit on them or even rape them during combat is likely to be in denial about their own sexuality and I question why they joined the military.