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Postby Valgora » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:23 pm

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Geneviev wrote:They only have power if their President represents their views. Sadly, President Trump represents xenophobia, anti-vaxxers, Islamophobia.


As immoral an asshole he is, trump represents me far more than Hilary or the socialist could’ve dreamed.

What socialist? Bernie? He wasn't a socialist.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:24 pm

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Geneviev wrote:They only have power if their President represents their views. Sadly, President Trump represents xenophobia, anti-vaxxers, Islamophobia.


As immoral an asshole he is, trump represents me far more than Hilary or the socialist could’ve dreamed.

This is not a discussion about Trump or political ideology. Please dont make it into one.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:24 pm

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Geneviev wrote:They only have power if their President represents their views. Sadly, President Trump represents xenophobia, anti-vaxxers, Islamophobia.


As immoral an asshole he is, trump represents me far more than Hilary or the socialist could’ve dreamed.

Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Claorica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:24 pm

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Claorica wrote:You might be. The poor bastards who live in you countryside just have to deal with your leftist nonsense.

I feel really sorry for the people of Texas who have to put up with the rightist nonsense as well.

Least I have a governor who didn't want to deport my best friend. That was the President.

If your best friend is here illegally then he needs to be deported. That’s pretty simple: break the law, suffer the consequences.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:25 pm

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Geneviev wrote:I feel really sorry for the people of Texas who have to put up with the rightist nonsense as well.

Least I have a governor who didn't want to deport my best friend. That was the President.

If your best friend is here illegally then he needs to be deported. That’s pretty simple: break the law, suffer the consequences.

First of all, she. Secondly, she came here when she wasn't even a year old. Third, her siblings were all born here.
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Postby Claorica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:27 pm

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Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.


Or, you know, Anglican based English culture and catholic based polish culture are far more syncretic to each other than than any Christian based culture and any Islamic culture.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:54 pm

Claorica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.


Or, you know, Anglican based English culture and catholic based polish culture are far more syncretic to each other than than any Christian based culture and any Islamic culture.

Duh. Anglicanism and Catholicism are denominations of the same religion.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Claorica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Claorica wrote:
Or, you know, Anglican based English culture and catholic based polish culture are far more syncretic to each other than than any Christian based culture and any Islamic culture.

You do know that Chrsitianity and Al-Islam have a lot in common, and Muslims and Christians have lived together for centuries, right?


and in the more recent centuries, Islam has become more militant towards Christians, culminating in the Ottoman Invasions in the 1500s and 1600s, the genocides in 1914, and the current violence which has reduced the Christian population of Iraq to almost nothing and threatens the same in Syria.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:02 pm

Claorica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You do know that Chrsitianity and Al-Islam have a lot in common, and Muslims and Christians have lived together for centuries, right?


and in the more recent centuries, Islam has become more militant towards Christians, culminating in the Ottoman Invasions in the 1500s and 1600s, the genocides in 1914, and the current violence which has reduced the Christian population of Iraq to almost nothing and threatens the same in Syria.

All of these show nothing about Al-Islam, but rather Muslims. Also, the last 2 affect us just as much as - if not more than - Christians. Also, If you're referring to the Armenian Genocide, that started in 1915, not 14, and has nothing to with Muslims. That was started by a secularists political party called the Young Turks.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:04 pm

Your idea of Islam has nothing in common with modern Christianity Kubumba.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:16 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kramanica wrote:"Descended" does not mean you're an immigrant yourself so you're just patently incorrect there.

And we're pretty much objectively better than most of the countries people come here from. Haiti, Mexico, Liberia, Guatemala, et cetera. Sorry, but we are pretty much better than those countries by every possible metric.

Also
>he thinks other first world countries don't have xenophobia and anti-vaxxers

I chuckled.

What do you think of "anchor babies" then? Full Americans for being born here?

Technically they're not immigrants.

Please, give me statistics. Wealth gaps, mass shootings, hate crimes, human development index, and so on. With sources.

You want sources that America is better off than Haiti?

They do. I can't deny that. But these people aren't represented by a President. They have no real power in other countries.

Hungary doesn't seem too welcoming of immigrants.
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Postby Claorica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Claorica wrote:
As immoral an asshole he is, trump represents me far more than Hilary or the socialist could’ve dreamed.

This is not a discussion about Trump or political ideology. Please dont make it into one.

I don't think you understand the point I'm making here.

In fact, the responses from both you and Geneviev prove the point I make about why democracy is bunk and proves that your ideas of diversity all fly out the window when that diversity and multiculturalism is diversity of thought and the cultures of people who hold a different worldview than yourself.

You both imply that the President doesn't represent anyone because he doesn't represent you, when he obviously represents huge portion of this nation that voted for him. The countless sarcastic "I can see that" replies show that any love of "diversity" only matters when it is physical diversity, any multiculturalism only applies when it is the people whom have been imported into the US wholesale 'cross the border.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:28 pm

Claorica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This is not a discussion about Trump or political ideology. Please dont make it into one.

I don't think you understand the point I'm making here.

In fact, the responses from both you and Geneviev prove the point I make about why democracy is bunk and proves that your ideas of diversity all fly out the window when that diversity and multiculturalism is diversity of thought and the cultures of people who hold a different worldview than yourself.

You both imply that the President doesn't represent anyone because he doesn't represent you, when he obviously represents huge portion of this nation that voted for him. The countless sarcastic "I can see that" replies show that any love of "diversity" only matters when it is physical diversity, any multiculturalism only applies when it is the people whom have been imported into the US wholesale 'cross the border.

Humans don't get imported. Objects do. And just because they don't like the president doesn't mean they hate everyone that does.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:31 pm

What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:32 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.


American English, the only language a real patriot needs.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

I'm unfortunately only fluent in one language.
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Postby Claorica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

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Postby Valgora » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.


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Postby Albrenia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.


American English, the only language a real patriot needs.


Oh please, any version of English that doesn't put '-o' or '-ie' at the end of every possible word is no language of mine, mate. Politicians are pollies, your buddy Steve is Stevo, and a day off work is a sickie.

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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

English since it's the only one I can speak lol. Specifically American English like WRA since it's the language of F R E E D O M.

Always wanted to learn another language but I've just never been good at it lol.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:37 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

As I unfortunately have a learning block when it comes to foreign languages, English is the only one I can really speak, making it my favorite by default. Though I do find Arabic and Japanese to be pleasing to the ears, most of the time.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:37 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

I'm unfortunately only fluent in one language.
:(

You could at least learn Hawaiian. :p
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Postby New Emeline » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:37 pm

I'm trying to learn French right now.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:38 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What's y'all's favorite languages?
Mine is Arabic.

As I unfortunately have a learning block when it comes to foreign languages, English is the only one I can really speak, making it my favorite by default. Though I do find Arabic and Japanese to be pleasing to the ears, most of the time.

Idk. Arabic sounds kind of... harsh (nothing personal against it). Maybe its just the accent of the speakers.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:38 pm

Strange no one has said French. :blink:
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