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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:32 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Yes. Perhaps now we are all American.

Currently ignoring the fact that I'm not American, and am only living here. Doesn't matter though, does it? As long as my name is Ugga-Bugga.

Why do some Americans really think they're above everyone else? They do realise that all of them are immigrants, right? Oh, wait, no they don't. Why not? Because America First! When they meet me for the first time, they ask if I'm British. I say no, and they immediately think I'm lying. Why? Because they don't seem to acknowledge the fact that there are more than two countries in the world. Not all Americans are like this, but apparently enough to make sure Islamophobia, racism, everything against diversity seem legitimate.

I agree. This American exeptionalism bs is messed up. That's probs why some people go on rants every time they hear a foreign language.
American exceptionalism is also the partial reason why many countries the US was involved in militarily are now in despair.

Yes, it goes too far.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:32 pm

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Trumptonium1 wrote:
The actor is British.

Or do you believe in assimilation?

Oh well, can never expect your arguments to stay consistent I guess.

I really like to hear why you think only English names should be allowed in America or the UK .

English names shouldn't be allowed in the UK according to Trumptonium's views of cultural purity. On top of that, he didn't say anything about the UK iirc.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:04 pm

I liked it better when the right made fun of snowflakes, instead of being snowflakes.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:07 pm

Albrenia wrote:I liked it better when the right made fun of snowflakes, instead of being snowflakes.

Its just crazy to me that people actually believe the stuff Trumptonium does. They are entitled to their opinion though. There have even been posts in here regarding people who are not white shouldn't be in public service jobs like police officers or firefighters or elected office etc. It was nice to see that nearly every poster in the thread rose up against them.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:08 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I really like to hear why you think only English names should be allowed in America or the UK .

English names shouldn't be allowed in the UK according to Trumptonium's views of cultural purity. On top of that, he didn't say anything about the UK iirc.


Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:08 pm

Albrenia wrote:I liked it better when the right made fun of snowflakes, instead of being snowflakes.

They do both now. They are snowflakes making fun of snowflakes.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:English names shouldn't be allowed in the UK according to Trumptonium's views of cultural purity. On top of that, he didn't say anything about the UK iirc.


Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:12 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.


If true that's actually funny as fuck.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:13 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.

Please tell me I'm dreaming.
I'm not? This is funny.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:16 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Cultural purity does seem to be their issue. I said UK because I wasn't sure what country they are from.

Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.


If thats true I'd love to know where their anti immigrant and xenophobia comes from. Most the of major cities in the UK are quite diverse and multicultural so I really dont know what his issue is.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:24 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Same. I'm proud of my Hebrew 1st name and Arabic middle and last names :lol:

French French and German, respectively.

I think mine is English. Not entirely sure, though.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
The actor is British.

Or do you believe in assimilation?

Oh well, can never expect your arguments to stay consistent I guess.

I really like to hear why you think only English names should be allowed in America or the UK .

This is like a 3 page thing and you're just now asking him?
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:27 pm

Geneviev wrote:
New Emeline wrote:True.

Yes. Perhaps now we are all American.

Currently ignoring the fact that I'm not American, and am only living here. Doesn't matter though, does it? As long as my name is Ugga-Bugga.

Why do some Americans really think they're above everyone else? They do realise that all of them are immigrants, right? Oh, wait, no they don't. Why not? Because America First! When they meet me for the first time, they ask if I'm British. I say no, and they immediately think I'm lying. Why? Because they don't seem to acknowledge the fact that there are more than two countries in the world. Not all Americans are like this, but apparently enough to make sure Islamophobia, racism, everything against diversity seem legitimate.

Because our country is usually better than most others.

And we aren't all immigrants. If you were born here you aren't an immigrant.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:28 pm

Kramanica wrote:
New Emeline wrote:French French and German, respectively.

I think mine is English. Not entirely sure, though.

Irish, Irish (well my middle name is used like fucking everywhere so not sure where it originates from, think it comes from latin somewhere down the line historically) and Irish for me.


And a fourth Irish for my confirmation name, though im an atheist and no longer catholic and dont use it that much any more.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:29 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Trumptonium is a Polish person born in Italy, immigrated to Britian with his fam.
Of all people, he's the one raging against immigrants and preserving culture.


If true that's actually funny as fuck.

Trumptonium1 wrote:I was born in Italy.

Trumptonium1 wrote:I was born in Italy, my parents are Polish

Trumptonium1 wrote:my primary school in the UK
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:29 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Kramanica wrote:I think mine is English. Not entirely sure, though.

Irish, Irish (well my middle name is used like fucking everywhere so not sure where it originates from, think it comes from latin somewhere down the line historically) and Irish for me.


And a fourth Irish for my confirmation name, though im an atheist and no longer catholic and dont use it that much any more.

My surname is Jewish obviously since I am a Jew. It's not a common one though (like Goldstein or some shit) so I doubt most people would realize.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:31 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Yes. Perhaps now we are all American.

Currently ignoring the fact that I'm not American, and am only living here. Doesn't matter though, does it? As long as my name is Ugga-Bugga.

Why do some Americans really think they're above everyone else? They do realise that all of them are immigrants, right? Oh, wait, no they don't. Why not? Because America First! When they meet me for the first time, they ask if I'm British. I say no, and they immediately think I'm lying. Why? Because they don't seem to acknowledge the fact that there are more than two countries in the world. Not all Americans are like this, but apparently enough to make sure Islamophobia, racism, everything against diversity seem legitimate.

Because our country is usually better than most others.

And we aren't all immigrants. If you were born here you aren't an immigrant.

You can be a descendent of immigrants though

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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:31 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:I was born in Italy.

Trumptonium1 wrote:I was born in Italy, my parents are Polish

Let it go.
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Postby Kramanica » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because our country is usually better than most others.

And we aren't all immigrants. If you were born here you aren't an immigrant.

You can be a descendent of immigrants though

Which doesn't make you an immigrant yourself.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Kramanica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You can be a descendent of immigrants though

Which doesn't make you an immigrant yourself.


Does that mean 'anchor babies' aren't immigrants?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:34 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Yes. Perhaps now we are all American.

Currently ignoring the fact that I'm not American, and am only living here. Doesn't matter though, does it? As long as my name is Ugga-Bugga.

Why do some Americans really think they're above everyone else? They do realise that all of them are immigrants, right? Oh, wait, no they don't. Why not? Because America First! When they meet me for the first time, they ask if I'm British. I say no, and they immediately think I'm lying. Why? Because they don't seem to acknowledge the fact that there are more than two countries in the world. Not all Americans are like this, but apparently enough to make sure Islamophobia, racism, everything against diversity seem legitimate.

Because our country is usually better than most others.

And we aren't all immigrants. If you were born here you aren't an immigrant.

You're first generation, second generation, and so on. Go back as far as you need, you are descended from immigrants.

Also, no. America isn't close to being as good as most of the developed world with quite a few issues. Anti-vaxxers, homophobia, xenophobia, public education, healthcare... Need I go on?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:35 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because our country is usually better than most others.

And we aren't all immigrants. If you were born here you aren't an immigrant.

You're first generation, second generation, and so on. Go back as far as you need, you are descended from immigrants.

Also, no. America isn't close to being as good as most of the developed world with quite a few issues. Anti-vaxxers, homophobia, xenophobia, public education, healthcare... Need I go on?

Still has racism, huge wealth gaps, I think you would need to go on.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Western-Ukraine » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:36 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Geneviev wrote:You're first generation, second generation, and so on. Go back as far as you need, you are descended from immigrants.

Also, no. America isn't close to being as good as most of the developed world with quite a few issues. Anti-vaxxers, homophobia, xenophobia, public education, healthcare... Need I go on?

Still has racism, huge wealth gaps, I think you would need to go on.

There's racism everywhere. The US is in no way different or worse.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:37 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Geneviev wrote:You're first generation, second generation, and so on. Go back as far as you need, you are descended from immigrants.

Also, no. America isn't close to being as good as most of the developed world with quite a few issues. Anti-vaxxers, homophobia, xenophobia, public education, healthcare... Need I go on?

Still has racism, huge wealth gaps, I think you would need to go on.

I don't really want to go on. America is flawed, but a nice enough place nonetheless.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:38 pm

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Still has racism, huge wealth gaps, I think you would need to go on.

There's racism everywhere. The US is in no way different or worse.

As someone who lives in the US, Imma focus on my country.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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