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Postby Free Arctic Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:24 pm

Korvale wrote:snip

The Daily Mail aren't exactly demographic experts...

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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:25 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Korvale wrote:It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37001 ... and-cities

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cens ... 05998.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565

See what i mean LALALALALALA ITS NOT TRUE LALALALA DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH LALALALALALALA keep sticking those fingers just be ready to obey muslims.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Huh?


California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.


Europe is not going to be an islamist continent and west asian are not taking over the UK. If a muslim broke the law they would face the criminal justice system like anyone else. And regarding your comments about Brazil its just as diverse as the United States or Canada if not more so. Its the very definition of multiculturalism.

Plus does anyone have any other ideas for the subtitle besides what's in the poll?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:26 pm

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It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

i cannot find in the article where it says that, what i can find is this; Taking the projection to a more uncertain distance, the White British population would cease to be the majority in the UK by the late 2060s.

Secondly, the mail? really? like. the daily mail? do you know how many times they have to correct their own articles because they are forced too by journalism standards companies for blatantly lying?

Exactly. It's akin to quoting Mein Kampf as an unbiased source on the Jews. Quoting the Daily Mail as a source on immigration really is that bad.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:26 pm

It's pretty good for me, but at the same time, it should not go overboard. What I meant is that a country will be much nicer if there are tourists visiting the famous landmarks, speaking their own languages and attracting the interest of the locals who might be interested to know more about them. In Singapore at least, talking in Burmese will attract the attention of the taxi drivers and before you know it, both of you are pretty much talking through the whole journey.

At the same time, I guess it can be bad in the sense that what if the foreigners demand more from the country, to demand that they make it comfortable for them, instead of focusing on the locals? I read a quote somewhere, goes along the line of "A country's purpose is to make it comfortable for its locals, not to accomodate every single one of the visitors." <- I might have paraphrased that a lot. So yeah, it's good to be multicultured, but at the same time, bad if every single policies done is to cater to the visitiors (loss of identity. I guess).
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:26 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37001 ... and-cities

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cens ... 05998.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565

See what i mean LALALALALALA ITS NOT TRUE LALALALA DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH LALALALALALALA keep sticking those fingers just be ready to obey muslims.

The Express, the Standard and the Daily Mail can literally all be ignored. The loss of a majority does not imply a takeover.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Korvale wrote:
California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.


Europe is not going to be an islamist continent and west asian are not taking over the UK. If a muslim broke the law they would face the criminal justice system like anyone else. And regarding your comments about Brazil its just as diverse as the United States or Canada if not more so. Its the very definition of multiculturalism.

Plus does anyone have any other ideas for the subtitle besides what's in the poll?


Thats not a good portent if Brazil is the very definition.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:27 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37001 ... and-cities

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cens ... 05998.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565

See what i mean LALALALALALA ITS NOT TRUE LALALALA DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH LALALALALALALA keep sticking those fingers just be ready to obey muslims.

And why is that bad? Your not going to have Saudi Arabian like laws in the UK, Canada or the United States anytime soon.

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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Korvale wrote:
California and New Mexico are already hispanic majority and soon the U.S in general will be majority hispanic does that count as diverse now? Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse? Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well, I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K so yh dont try anything just shut up and let the muslims takeover ok racist.


Europe is not going to be an islamist continent and west asian are not taking over the UK. If a muslim broke the law they would face the criminal justice system like anyone else. And regarding your comments about Brazil its just as diverse as the United States or Canada if not more so. Its the very definition of multiculturalism.

Plus does anyone have any other ideas for the subtitle besides what's in the poll?


West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:29 pm

Korvale wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Europe is not going to be an islamist continent and west asian are not taking over the UK. If a muslim broke the law they would face the criminal justice system like anyone else. And regarding your comments about Brazil its just as diverse as the United States or Canada if not more so. Its the very definition of multiculturalism.

Plus does anyone have any other ideas for the subtitle besides what's in the poll?


West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

And for what reason is that bad?

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:29 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37001 ... and-cities

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cens ... 05998.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565

See what i mean LALALALALALA ITS NOT TRUE LALALALA DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH LALALALALALALA keep sticking those fingers just be ready to obey muslims.

Three of those sources are tabloid newspapers. The only source that is even close to being reliable, the BBC one, doesn't even back up your claims. It talks about London, and it says nothing about Muslims. Try again.
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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:30 pm

Korvale wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Europe is not going to be an islamist continent and west asian are not taking over the UK. If a muslim broke the law they would face the criminal justice system like anyone else. And regarding your comments about Brazil its just as diverse as the United States or Canada if not more so. Its the very definition of multiculturalism.

Plus does anyone have any other ideas for the subtitle besides what's in the poll?


West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

Solution: improve the world. with a higher rate of development, people have less children. As a white person, I literally do not care if I am not a majority. Nothing will ever change the fact that I am white.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:30 pm

Korvale wrote:Because thats exactly the same as Mexico is Mexico diverse?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Demographics
Korvale wrote:Europe will be an islamic continent in time as well

You sure?
Korvale wrote:I mean sure the Brits here can stick fingers in their eyes and deny west asians are slowly taking over their country

No one's taking over a country simply by immigrating, it takes a lot more than just immigration to take over a country.
Korvale wrote:I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K

Proof?
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The New California Republic wrote:I don't stick my fingers in anyone's eyes, I really don't know what you are insinuating here.


Source for that ridiculous claim please.


I know you are probably trying to be "edgy" or something, but it just comes across as being a bit desperate to make waves for no reason whatsoever.


It means you white brits have a tendency to madly deny your diversity wont end in islamic monoculturalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tinue.html

Read it and weep you WILL be muslim majority by 2100.

Weep for what?
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Postby Free Arctic Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:I fail to see how it's an inherently good thing.

why is not a good thing?

Having different cultures does not inherently benefit a country. I can see how you could have differences in cultures, but differences can be good or bad. You can get "good" aspects from cultures (new foods, entertainment, democracy and liberal values, new technology) and "bad" aspects from cultures (religious fundamentalism, ethnic/racial tensions, antiquated views on the role of racial minorities and women). It really boils down to the circumstances of each country. For example, there is no way in hell putting Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs under one country is a good idea, or in cases like China where the Han majority have been pretty much pushing out or absorbing every other minority for the past few centuries or so, but then there's places like Singapore, Canada, the US, etc. that are democratic, westernized, and united under a strong national identity while still giving room for minority groups to keep parts of their own culture while giving them a voice in government.

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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Korvale wrote:
West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

And for what reason is that bad?


No other countries except white ones are doing it thats why its not good.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:32 pm

Keuliseu wrote:
Korvale wrote:
West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

Solution: improve the world. with a higher rate of development, people have less children. As a white person, I literally do not care if I am not a majority. Nothing will ever change the fact that I am white.

I agree completely.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Korvale wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Yeah. I told you in another thread about using trashy tabloid newspapers as sources. Try again.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37001 ... and-cities

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cens ... 05998.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -time.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-20680565

See what i mean LALALALALALA ITS NOT TRUE LALALALA DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH LALALALALALALA keep sticking those fingers just be ready to obey muslims.

Or you could show better sources, that works as well.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Korvale wrote:I mean you go to prison in the U.K for simply offending the west asians in the U.K

Proof?

Don't hold your breath. I asked for a source too, but I got ignored. The only sources they have provided for other stuff is trashy tabloid newspapers, not exactly reliable.
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:34 pm

Keuliseu wrote:
Korvale wrote:
West Asians have a higher breeding rate than whites meaning eventually they will outnumber whites in Europe its inevitable keep denying it if it helps you get on with life. White countries have below replacement rates meaning they will eventually be replaced by the dominant majority in their countries in time.

Solution: improve the world. with a higher rate of development, people have less children. As a white person, I literally do not care if I am not a majority. Nothing will ever change the fact that I am white.


Im sorry it doesnt work like that, muslims dont have feminism so their breeding rates will always be much higher than white ones regardless of what you do. Well I mean your ancestors did so much so you could live in this country and you throw that all away by handing it over to outsiders without even war? It shows you white europeans have no empathy for the struggles your people did to even maintain their cultures from other europeans. Sad.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:35 pm

Korvale wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And for what reason is that bad?


No other countries except white ones are doing it thats why its not good.

It was already explained to you that places like Uganda, Bangladesh, Sudan, Iraq, Uzbekistan or Eritrea have less opportunity and some of those are dictatorships. For some people its dangerous to remain. For example in Iraq or Uganda being gay is a crime and LGBT risk being thrown in prison.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:35 pm

Korvale wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And for what reason is that bad?


No other countries except white ones are doing it thats why its not good.

"No other countries except white ones are doing it"
Doing what? Being multicutural and diverse? Because almost every country in the world is diverse and multicultural.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ors Might » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:35 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Depends on what you mean. Diversity ain’t good or bad inherently. Multiculturalism can be great if there’s a uniting national identity and there’s a good deal of intermingling between cultural groups. Segregation, self imposed or imposed on others, is the enemy here.

I mean if you have two groups that both want each other to "fuck off" from each others area without making it a law I can't exactly see it as a negative. Especially if the groups historically hate each other's guts, and any other method might cause violence.

My problem with that is that it doesn’t resolve the problems between the two groups and could potentially reinforce it in the long term. They can’t be separate in every situation, especially in smaller nations.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:36 pm

Korvale wrote:Im sorry it doesnt work like that, muslims dont have feminism so their breeding rates will always be much higher than white ones regardless of what you do. Well I mean your ancestors did so much so you could live in this country and you throw that all away by handing it over to outsiders without even war? It shows you white europeans have no empathy for the struggles your people did to even maintain their cultures from other europeans. Sad.

Baseless claims with zero sources. Also sad.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:36 pm

Korvale wrote:
Keuliseu wrote:Solution: improve the world. with a higher rate of development, people have less children. As a white person, I literally do not care if I am not a majority. Nothing will ever change the fact that I am white.


Im sorry it doesnt work like that, muslims dont have feminism so their breeding rates will always be much higher than white ones regardless of what you do. Well I mean your ancestors did so much so you could live in this country and you throw that all away by handing it over to outsiders without even war? It shows you white europeans have no empathy for the struggles your people did to even maintain their cultures from other europeans. Sad.

What the world are you talking about?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Keuliseu » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:36 pm

Korvale wrote:
Keuliseu wrote:Solution: improve the world. with a higher rate of development, people have less children. As a white person, I literally do not care if I am not a majority. Nothing will ever change the fact that I am white.


Im sorry it doesnt work like that, muslims dont have feminism so their breeding rates will always be much higher than white ones regardless of what you do. Well I mean your ancestors did so much so you could live in this country and you throw that all away by handing it over to outsiders without even war? It shows you white europeans have no empathy for the struggles your people did to even maintain their cultures from other europeans. Sad.

Muslim women were allowed to own their own land long before western women. and were not culturally oppressed into taking their husbands surname. Also, culture is separate from faith. Also also, yes. It does work like that. Higher rates of development leads to lower rates of "breeding".

We maintained our culture from oppressive people. Soldiers fought in WW2 against the Nazis so that all walks of life could live an equal life. Not to preserve white culture. Thats what the Nazis fought for.
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