Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Internationalist Bastard]

I think it's a bit weird you put "must be a capitalist" on the same moral level as "Don't rape people".

I think not being communist is more important than being capitalist.

*looks at flag*
Well if Smedly Butler was wrong I don’t wanna be right

[San Lumen]

One argument people like to use against diversity and multiculturalism is Islam yet Islam has been in Europe since the 8th century. Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

While I can understand the fear of change and things that are different demographics isn't something you can change. As has been pointed out before in several threads the current generation of school age children in the United States is the first majority minority generation so there is nothing anyone can do to stop the coming change. Though personally i prefer the term non white as majority-minority is an oxymoron.

[The East Marches II]

One argument people like to use against diversity and multiculturalism is Islam yet Islam has been in Europe since the 8th century. Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

While I can understand the fear of change and things that are different demographics isn't something you can change. As has been pointed out before in several threads the current generation of school age children in the United States is the first majority minority generation so there is nothing anyone can do to stop the coming change. Though personally i prefer the term non white as majority-minority is an oxymoron.

I wish you'd stop making such blanket statements. You not only tempt fate but look bad. One would have thought you learned that from the last pages.

[Den Sosialistiske Republikk Norden]

I said literally nothing about Anarchism. The only societal organization systems in history aren't nationstates and anarchy (which you equate with feudalism for some odd reason, btw feudalism wasn't a thing during the age of the enlightenment). And my entire point was that the homogeneity of Europe is completely artificial and built off of a mixture of social engineering and genocide. Monoculturalism is unnatural and violent, and the current state of Europe is just an example of that. The "homogeneity of the old world" is a system of brutality and evil that you're trying to preserve to its bitter end, not somehow the natural state of things.

But if you're just interested in spouting PEGIDA rhetoric, then I have no reason to debate you.

Actually, quite the contrary, heterogeneity is the more violent and unnatural case,
Just look at the new world, it's so heterogenous, and it's native population was wiped out in the ultimate act of violence. Heterogenous nations are also less stable.

Homogenous nations usually work out their borders over a long amount of time and naturally form their own single culture, where as usually with most heterogenous nations in the world, border are hastily scribbled onto the ground (often by former colonizers) and the random peoples within are forced to share a random cookie cutter and it almost always destabilizes.

You can't have Kurds and Arabs and Shia and Sunni in one nation, they'll kill eachother
You can't have Boer and Bantu and Khoisan in one nation, they'll kill eachother
You can't have Tibetans and Manchu and Han in the same country, the Han will ban the others cultures!
You can't have Communists and Capitalists in the same nation, they'll split it in half!
You can't have Jews and Arabs in the same nation (or general area) they'll kill eachother.

You can't have the Muslims in Europe, they'll kill the natives and assert their beliefs violently as the or culture dictates.

Nothing is more natural than the old state that formed slowly over more than 1000 years and formed into one people and culture,
Nothing is more atricfical than a country that is only about 200 years old, and has imported 99% of its people.

Nothing is natural about destroying an old nation state under the pretext of political agenda.

Did you actually read my posts? Or are you just using them as a soapbox to preach nativist screeds?

[New Emeline]

Actually, quite the contrary, heterogeneity is the more violent and unnatural case,
Just look at the new world, it's so heterogenous, and it's native population was wiped out in the ultimate act of violence. Heterogenous nations are also less stable.

Homogenous nations usually work out their borders over a long amount of time and naturally form their own single culture, where as usually with most heterogenous nations in the world, border are hastily scribbled onto the ground (often by former colonizers) and the random peoples within are forced to share a random cookie cutter and it almost always destabilizes.

You can't have Kurds and Arabs and Shia and Sunni in one nation, they'll kill eachother
You can't have Boer and Bantu and Khoisan in one nation, they'll kill eachother
You can't have Tibetans and Manchu and Han in the same country, the Han will ban the others cultures!
You can't have Communists and Capitalists in the same nation, they'll split it in half!
You can't have Jews and Arabs in the same nation (or general area) they'll kill eachother.

You can't have the Muslims in Europe, they'll kill the natives and assert their beliefs violently as the or culture dictates.

Nothing is more natural than the old state that formed slowly over more than 1000 years and formed into one people and culture,
Nothing is more atricfical than a country that is only about 200 years old, and has imported 99% of its people.

Nothing is natural about destroying an old nation state under the pretext of political agenda.

Did you actually read my post? Or are you just using it as a soapbox to preach nativist screeds?

I suspect the latter.....

[San Lumen]

One argument people like to use against diversity and multiculturalism is Islam yet Islam has been in Europe since the 8th century. Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

While I can understand the fear of change and things that are different demographics isn't something you can change. As has been pointed out before in several threads the current generation of school age children in the United States is the first majority minority generation so there is nothing anyone can do to stop the coming change. Though personally i prefer the term non white as majority-minority is an oxymoron.

I wish you'd stop making such blanket statements. You not only tempt fate but look bad. One would have thought you learned that from the last pages.

Do tell how I am tempting fate by stating fact.

[The Parkus Empire]

Distributism means land and the means of production being widely and privately held, and most of the economy being non-monetary.

So there are big rich estates, and bartering is common?
Sounds accurate.

No, haha. Widely distributed land (everyone who served in the Revolution got 100 acres) and means of production just means most people have some. There were rich estates, but most freeholders were not wealthy.

I am not talking about barter, but home production and gifts.

[Aillyria]

One argument people like to use against diversity and multiculturalism is Islam yet Islam has been in Europe since the 8th century. Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

While I can understand the fear of change and things that are different demographics isn't something you can change. As has been pointed out before in several threads the current generation of school age children in the United States is the first majority minority generation so there is nothing anyone can do to stop the coming change. Though personally i prefer the term non white as majority-minority is an oxymoron.

I wish you'd stop making such blanket statements. You not only tempt fate but look bad. One would have thought you learned that from the last pages.

He hasn't stated anything out of place though, Islam has had a sizeable native minority in Europe for centuries. The problem with your immigrants isn't that they're muslims, but where they are from.

[The Parkus Empire]

I wish you'd stop making such blanket statements. You not only tempt fate but look bad. One would have thought you learned that from the last pages.

He hasn't stated anything out of place though, Islam has had a sizeable native minority in Europe for centuries. The problem with your immigrants isn't that they're muslims, but where they are from.

Islam's existence in Europe has not really been peaceful, though.

[New Emeline]

He hasn't stated anything out of place though, Islam has had a sizeable native minority in Europe for centuries. The problem with your immigrants isn't that they're muslims, but where they are from.

Islam's existence in Europe has not really been peaceful, though.

Has anyone's existence in Europe been peaceful? There's been just as much conflict between people of the same races as between different ones.

[The East Marches II]

I wish you'd stop making such blanket statements. You not only tempt fate but look bad. One would have thought you learned that from the last pages.

He hasn't stated anything out of place though, Islam has had a sizeable native minority in Europe for centuries. The problem with your immigrants isn't that they're muslims, but where they are from.

That was aimed at his constant references to nothing anybody can do to stop the current change. It was a stupid blanket statement. I just blew another one of those apart not a few pages ago. I was hoping he might have learned his lesson, in addition to tempting fate :^]

[The Parkus Empire]

Islam's existence in Europe has not really been peaceful, though.

Has anyone's existence in Europe been peaceful? There's been just as much conflict between people of the same races as between different ones.

No, but I am saying violent Islamic activity is still a serious problem in the Russian Federation, for instance.

[The Parkus Empire]

In essence, no, I don't have any issue with a few Muslims here, especially legitimate refugees. I don't want some massive "flourishing" Muslim culture here though. I don't want Chechenya in America.

[Omakhandia]

One argument people like to use against diversity and multiculturalism is Islam yet Islam has been in Europe since the 8th century. Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

While I can understand the fear of change and things that are different demographics isn't something you can change. As has been pointed out before in several threads the current generation of school age children in the United States is the first majority minority generation so there is nothing anyone can do to stop the coming change. Though personally i prefer the term non white as majority-minority is an oxymoron.

As I said previously, I love and appreciate my country's multiculturalism, but you can't treat Islam as if it's nothing more than a race or a culture. It's also an ideology, and one that is not necessarily conducive to the tenets of liberal democracy. I'm all for freedom of religion, but that does not mean the freedom to punish apostates, persecute gays, oppress women, and mutilate genitals with impunity.

Islam is not all bad, but don't pretend it's all good either. The majority of Muslims have beliefs that directly conflict with what democracy and liberalism stand for. That's why I'm wary of it as an ideology, and why I also wish to accept with open arms the non-fundamentalist Muslims trying to escape these backwards cultures.

[Crazed Pirates]

Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

>>Bosnia
>any attempt to do this will instantly spark a 2nd Bosnian War
>>Albania
>persecutes local greeks for more than 80 years
>>Makedonia
>just try to find a major muslim party which isn't albanian narionalist
>>Kosovo
>literally a rogue state ruled by a war criminal

You're trolling, right?

[Keuliseu]

In essence, no, I don't have any issue with a few Muslims here, especially legitimate refugees. I don't want some massive "flourishing" Muslim culture here though. I don't want Chechenya in America.

Flourishing Muslim culture like algebra?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

In essence, no, I don't have any issue with a few Muslims here, especially legitimate refugees. I don't want some massive "flourishing" Muslim culture here though. I don't want Chechenya in America.

Flourishing Muslim culture like algebra?

Math is not culture.

[Keuliseu]

Flourishing Muslim culture like algebra?

Math is not culture.

It came to be largely under said culture

[Alvecia]

Math is not culture.

It came to be largely under said culture

Implying it wouldn't have under any other?

[Keuliseu]

It came to be largely under said culture

Implying it wouldn't have under any other?

Anything that exists under a “Muslim” culture exists (or could exist) in a culture without Islam dominance

[Alvecia]

Implying it wouldn't have under any other?

Anything that exists under a “Muslim” culture exists (or could exist) in a culture without Islam dominance

Can't really claim it as a feature of Muslim culture then, can you?

[Keuliseu]

Anything that exists under a “Muslim” culture exists (or could exist) in a culture without Islam dominance

Can't really claim it as a feature of Muslim culture then, can you?

The point I was attempting to make was that being “scared” of a dominated Islamic culture is pointless, when anything under that culture can exist without it

[The Parkus Empire]

In essence, no, I don't have any issue with a few Muslims here, especially legitimate refugees. I don't want some massive "flourishing" Muslim culture here though. I don't want Chechenya in America.

Flourishing Muslim culture like algebra?

No, like things that are relevant today, not stuff contemporary with Byzantium

[Alvecia]

Can't really claim it as a feature of Muslim culture then, can you?

The point I was attempting to make was that being “scared” of a dominated Islamic culture is pointless, when anything under that culture can exist without it

What could isn't really the issue. It's what is.

[Den Sosialistiske Republikk Norden]

Three European countries are majority Muslim Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo. There has been no attempt to impose Saudi Arabian or Iranian like laws against non Muslims in those countries. Macedonia also has a substantial Muslim population as well.

>>Bosnia
>any attempt to do this will instantly spark a 2nd Bosnian War
>>Albania
>persecutes local greeks for more than 80 years
>>Makedonia
>just try to find a major muslim party which isn't albanian narionalist
>>Kosovo
>literally a rogue state ruled by a war criminal

You're trolling, right?

Albania, one of the most irreligious countries in Europe, a hotbed of Radical Islam, apparently.

Also the fact that you conflate Albanian Nationalism with Islamism and imply that if Bosniaks weren't under constant threat of another genocide, they'd devolve the country into Wahhabism tells us a whole lot more about you than it does the supposed threat of Islam