Diversity and Multiculturalism II:Make Diversity Great Again

[Telconi]

Pretty much. Though I do think he wasn't fairly compensated for the guns he was forced to surrender.

Who cares? he admitted to harboring illegal weapons.

And David Richmond had an illegal skin color at that lunch counter -shrug-

[Bear Stearns]

I just want strict constructionist judges.

If we had strict constructionist 'well-regulated' would be interpreted in the context of modern day English rather than originalist-style interpretation of intent.

The government has survived well enough without income tax before.

All taxes are deprivations of property, inherently. I don't believe the government has ever survived without any form of income before.

He means income taxes, not all taxes in general.

The government mostly funded itself through tariff, excise, property, and sales taxes.

And through the sale of land and debt.

[Conserative Morality]

If we had strict constructionist 'well-regulated' would be interpreted in the context of modern day English rather than originalist-style interpretation of intent.

I don't believe the government has ever survived without any form of income before.

He means income taxes, not all taxes in general.

The government mostly funded itself through tariff, excise, property, and sales taxes.

And through the sale of land and debt.

All taxes are deprivations of property, inherently.

All taxes are deprivations of property

All taxes

All

taxes

[Northern Davincia]

He means income taxes, not all taxes in general.

The government mostly funded itself through tariff, excise, property, and sales taxes.

And through the sale of land and debt.

All taxes are deprivations of property, inherently.

All taxes are deprivations of property

All taxes

All

taxes

I see nothing wrong here.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As for being offensive, I frankly dont care, if my statements offend you, its probably an indication that it's a morally sound statement.

That's a really bad logic to go by.

No it really isn't. You simply dont like that people disagree with you and have the nerve to call yourself oppressed

Then why dont you move to Budapest?

Well that's your opinion. You dont like that Viktor Orban disagrees with you, and have the nerve to call Hungarians oppressed.

Why didn't black folks just move out of the south? Why didn't gay folks just move to San Francisco? Why don't American Muslims just move to Saudi Arabia?

Why the frick would we go to Saudi lol? Except for Hajj and 'Umrah of course. And other religious stuff.

[Telconi]

As for being offensive, I frankly dont care, if my statements offend you, its probably an indication that it's a morally sound statement.

That's a really bad logic to go by.

Well that's your opinion. You dont like that Viktor Orban disagrees with you, and have the nerve to call Hungarians oppressed.

Why didn't black folks just move out of the south? Why didn't gay folks just move to San Francisco? Why don't American Muslims just move to Saudi Arabia?

Why the frick would we go to Saudi lol? Except for Hajj and 'Umrah of course. And other religious stuff.

-Shrug- seems pretty good so far.

[Luminesa]

Why does something have to be exactly like something from those countries? How are you defining oppression?

Because their are the literal definition of oppression. There is no free press, assembly, freedom of religion or speech. Elections are total shams and completely meaningless. In Eritrea they have never been held.

The situation does not have to be that extreme for oppression to exist. Oppression exists right here in the United States against poor people. Big corporations force immigrants and poor people into wage slavery for cheap labor.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's a really bad logic to go by.

Why the frick would we go to Saudi lol? Except for Hajj and 'Umrah of course. And other religious stuff.

-Shrug- seems pretty good so far.

How in the frick is Saudi looking good?

[Sirocca]

The majority can be wrong, y'know.

Yes true but in his case it boils down to not liking that the majority has a different opinion than him

What if the majority who have a different opinion than him talk consistent negativity or even seemingly wish ill will to anybody who supports the minority opinion?

[San Lumen]

Yes true but in his case it boils down to not liking that the majority has a different opinion than him

What if the majority who have a different opinion than him talk consistent negativity or even seemingly wish ill will to anybody who supports the minority opinion?

They don't. There is something called an election in which he is consistently outvoted

[Ors Might]

What if the majority who have a different opinion than him talk consistent negativity or even seemingly wish ill will to anybody who supports the minority opinion?

They don't. There is something called an election in which he is consistently outvoted

And in those elections, they routinely vote for people that make decisions that harm him.

[San Lumen]

They don't. There is something called an election in which he is consistently outvoted

And in those elections, they routinely vote for people that make decisions that harm him.

And with that you imply there is some deliberate intent to screw him over. There isnt. People have different views.

[Nolo gap]

each place has its own right to go its own way.

that being said, each person who finds unbearable, or simply unpleasant, the ways of where they live,
has an equally perfect and natural right to relocate to any place they expect to be happier and more comfortable.

it is unfortunate that many places do not respect either.

if there were to be a planetary government, its most legitimate function would be to guarantee both,
with the except of limitations placed on the ways of places to protect the dependence of all life upon that world's natural environment.

same can be said as being one of the primary legitimate functions of national governments.

understandably, "devils" hide in the details.
the simplest way i know how to put it, is that lack of universally mutual consideration, is tyranny. as is the dominance of aggressiveness.
and that both of these, are the opposite, of any useful definition of civilization.

so where you have a blatant 'my culture or your de debil' you really have no civilization at all.

one other thing, is that diversity, in the large sense, is the very nature of reality and the only 'nature of reality' that there is.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

You know, I'm going to say this once and once only: the fact is that diversity needs to be treated by its proponents not as bricks replacing the wall (or the Ship of Theseus if you like ), but rather as a melting pot. We need to eradicate the differences between cultures, not dominance nor mosaics: but we need to blend culture together. The people who say that cultures make us unique etc etc are either functioning out of primitive tribality or would trade world harmony (perhaps not peace, but at least it's close) just for a pathetic identity to make themselves feel better. We need to tear down the walls between cultures, and begin a massive mixing of all nations. Humanity has more in common with each other than it has differences.

[Telconi]

And in those elections, they routinely vote for people that make decisions that harm him.

And with that you imply there is some deliberate intent to screw him over. There isnt. People have different views.

They dont write these laws by accidentally passing out on keyboards...

People do indeed have different views, thank you Field Marshal Obvious.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I am going to say this one more time. There is not some mass conspiracy of people in Sacramento sitting at desks and laughing manically at ways to screw you over. To compare you so called plight of being outvoted by the rest of your state to people who have faced actual oppression is downright offensive. You are not oppressed by a long shot. You dont live in a dictatorship like Eritrea or Uzbekistan.

I will remind you again that Hungary is a democracy in name only at this point. There is no free press, no independent courts, the election lines are drawn so the ruling party cannot lose its supermajority and the opposition is so fractured they have little hope of being even remotely relevant.

Oppression comes in many shapes and sizes. It's like telling someone they can either put up with sitting in the back of the bus, or move to North Korea. It's nonsense.

It’s pointless to argue with San Lunen, as he is so justified in his beliefs. That he simply cant be wrong. As such in his eyes, he is justified to oppress Telconi

[Ors Might]

And in those elections, they routinely vote for people that make decisions that harm him.

And with that you imply there is some deliberate intent to screw him over. There isnt. People have different views.

There isn’t a deliberate attempt. But that’s irrelevant. The harm exists nonetheless.

[Northern Davincia]

And with that you imply there is some deliberate intent to screw him over. There isnt. People have different views.

There isn’t a deliberate attempt. But that’s irrelevant. The harm exists nonetheless.

B-but if the majority wants it, it's legitimate!

[San Lumen]

There isn’t a deliberate attempt. But that’s irrelevant. The harm exists nonetheless.

B-but if the majority wants it, it's legitimate!

This is delving into election reform and this discussion probably belongs in the appropriate thread
Unless you can show how it’s relevant
Here is the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=456798&start=750

[Ors Might]

B-but if the majority wants it, it's legitimate!

This is delving into election reform and this discussion probably belongs in the appropriate thread
Unless you can show how it’s relevant
Here is the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=456798&start=750

It’s an example of democracy impacting sub-cultures.

[Telconi]

B-but if the majority wants it, it's legitimate!

This is delving into election reform and this discussion probably belongs in the appropriate thread
Unless you can show how it’s relevant
Here is the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=456798&start=750

We have to demonstrate how cultural suppression is relevant to the thread about "Diversity and Multiculturalism"?

[San Lumen]

This is delving into election reform and this discussion probably belongs in the appropriate thread
Unless you can show how it’s relevant
Here is the appropriate thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=456798&start=750

We have to demonstrate how cultural suppression is relevant to the thread about "Diversity and Multiculturalism"?

How is your culture being suppressed because you can’t by any gun you want somehow your oppressed people like the Royhinga or Karen peoples?

[Ors Might]

We have to demonstrate how cultural suppression is relevant to the thread about "Diversity and Multiculturalism"?

How is your culture being suppressed because you can’t by any gun you want somehow your oppressed people like the Royhinga or Karen peoples?

If guns are an integral part of his culture, then his culture is being suppressed if the state is preventing him from buying guns. Do you or do you not think cultural suppression is bad?

[Telconi]

How is your culture being suppressed because you can’t by any gun you want somehow your oppressed people like the Royhinga or Karen peoples?

If guns are an integral part of his culture, then his culture is being suppressed if the state is preventing him from buying guns. Do you or do you not think cultural suppression is bad?

Only cultures San Lumen likes deserve to exist. The attitude of the true multiculturalist.

[San Lumen]

How is your culture being suppressed because you can’t by any gun you want somehow your oppressed people like the Royhinga or Karen peoples?

If guns are an integral part of his culture, then his culture is being suppressed if the state is preventing him from buying guns. Do you or do you not think cultural suppression is bad?

Yes but he is not being suppressed.