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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:11 pm

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Asians do not kill and eat other people's pets; those who do eat dog meat eat farm raised dog meat.

Perhaps not on purpose, but dog napping is a problem in parts of China.

That said the dog meat industry overall seems to be declining which is a good thing. The cat meat industry is hopefully next.

Why is that a good thing?
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So why is that cultural practice unacceptable, whereas piercing a child's ears isn't?

They are not in the same league as each other

Sometimes women want to adjust their genitals. Why is that a bad thing if it's by choice to you?
Well actually, mutilating any part of your body is objectively bad, but fgc exists as well.
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Napkiraly wrote:The best way forward is to have different sets of laws according to ones cultural background (be that based on ethnicity, religion, etc). This avoids the issue of deciding which norms, taboos, morals, etc are to be embraced and which are to be smothered. This is only the real way forward for multiculturalism that prevents cultural imperialism in the long run. Also puts a release valve on clashing value systems.

Having different sets of laws for different groups never works out well

That's false.
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Postby The Land of Home » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:12 pm

Telconi wrote:And attempting to apply one blanket set of laws to different groups of people is just asking for resentment, oppression, and revolt.
See: Yugoslavia

It's working rather well for the United States. The United States has its problems, but most of that stems from if anything the fact that the law doesn't always work the same for everyone. Take for example police officers, if a police officer kills a man in self defense he has a small chance of ever going to trial, a smaller chance of being indicted, and an infinitesimal chance of being charged. If a man kills a police officer in self defense, he is almost certainly going to go to prison for life, regardless of circumstance. Once again it shows that the idea of separate but equal is in itself a flawed ideal that relies on a false concept of what contributes "a group of people".
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:13 pm

The Land of Home wrote:
Telconi wrote:And attempting to apply one blanket set of laws to different groups of people is just asking for resentment, oppression, and revolt.
See: Yugoslavia

It's working rather well for the United States. The United States has its problems, but most of that stems from if anything the fact that the law doesn't always work the same for everyone. Take for example police officers, if a police officer kills a man in self defense he has a small chance of ever going to trial, a smaller chance of being indicted, and an infinitesimal chance of being charged. If a man kills a police officer in self defense, he is almost certainly going to go to prison for life, regardless of circumstance. Once again it shows that the idea of separate but equal is in itself a flawed ideal that relies on a false concept of what contributes "a group of people".

Well in that sense it is wrong, yes.
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Postby The Land of Home » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:26 pm

Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

You..... you have no clue what the yellow vests are protesting about do you.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:31 pm

This isn't the first time I've seen that lol. Do people actually think the Yellow Vest movement is some anti-diversity thing?
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Postby Great Winminster » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:This isn't the first time I've seen that lol. Do people actually think the Yellow Vest movement is some anti-diversity thing?

Probably the same kind of people that think we are putting chemicals in the water that turns frogs gay.
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Postby The Canadian Confederacy of Provinces » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:55 pm

Diversity is neither a bad nor good thing. It is simply a demographic, not a value!

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Postby The Althing Confederacy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:19 pm

AN: Their motto says it all.
Only if your diverse base can be unified some how can strength be garnered from it.
Without a sense of unity diversity leads to fragmentation.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:51 pm

The Althing Confederacy wrote:AN: Their motto says it all.
Only if your diverse base can be unified some how can strength be garnered from it.
Without a sense of unity diversity leads to fragmentation.

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Postby Abarri » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:51 am

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I think empowering single parents is a great idea. I too would like to know the source of that statistic.


Empowering them to not be single? :lol:

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:18 am

Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

Not at all why they popped up but okay.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:41 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Perhaps not on purpose, but dog napping is a problem in parts of China.

That said the dog meat industry overall seems to be declining which is a good thing. The cat meat industry is hopefully next.

Why is that a good thing?
San Lumen wrote:They are not in the same league as each other

Sometimes women want to adjust their genitals. Why is that a bad thing if it's by choice to you?
Well actually, mutilating any part of your body is objectively bad, but fgc exists as well.
San Lumen wrote:Having different sets of laws for different groups never works out well

That's false.


Because dog napping is wrong and to create meat out of a creature that is overwhelmingly a pet across most of the world is immoral and wrong. Plus the way they are treated is so despicable I can't even describe it. Its great the industry is collapsing.

If its a choice fine but most of the time its not.

How is it false? Look at how African Americans in the south were treated.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why is that a good thing?

Sometimes women want to adjust their genitals. Why is that a bad thing if it's by choice to you?
Well actually, mutilating any part of your body is objectively bad, but fgc exists as well.

That's false.


Because dog napping is wrong and to create meat out of a creature that is overwhelmingly a pet across most of the world is immoral and wrong. Plus the way they are treated is so despicable I can't even describe it. Its great the industry is collapsing.


I mean, why is it wrong to kill one species of animal for food and not another? I love Guinea Pigs, but I'm not going to pass judgement on Ecuadoran farmers who eat them. Sure the mistreatment of animals is horrible but you'll have that with Chickens and Fish as well as dogs.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why is that a good thing?

Sometimes women want to adjust their genitals. Why is that a bad thing if it's by choice to you?
Well actually, mutilating any part of your body is objectively bad, but fgc exists as well.

That's false.


Because dog napping is wrong and to create meat out of a creature that is overwhelmingly a pet across most of the world is immoral and wrong. Plus the way they are treated is so despicable I can't even describe it. Its great the industry is collapsing.

If its a choice fine but most of the time its not.

How is it false? Look at how African Americans in the south were treated.


So a Korean person who eats dog is automatically a dog napper?

As for it being immoral and wrong, that's your opinion, developed by cultural forces. For a person who claims to support multi-culturalism, you seem quite quick to jump to what amounts to "My culture is good and yours is bad because I said so".

There's no categorical difference in how a dog is treated than how a pig, or sheep, or cow, or any other animal raised for meat is treated.

The problem isn't the procedure itself, the problem is informed consent.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:45 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Because dog napping is wrong and to create meat out of a creature that is overwhelmingly a pet across most of the world is immoral and wrong. Plus the way they are treated is so despicable I can't even describe it. Its great the industry is collapsing.

If its a choice fine but most of the time its not.

How is it false? Look at how African Americans in the south were treated.


So a Korean person who eats dog is automatically a dog napper?

As for it being immoral and wrong, that's your opinion, developed by cultural forces. For a person who claims to support multi-culturalism, you seem quite quick to jump to what amounts to "My culture is good and yours is bad because I said so".

There's no categorical difference in how a dog is treated than how a pig, or sheep, or cow, or any other animal raised for meat is treated.

The problem isn't the procedure itself, the problem is informed consent.

They may not be perfect, but the former Yugoslav states seem better off than Yugoslavia.

I never made any such comparison.

In the former Yugoslavia there is still much animosity towards each other

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So a Korean person who eats dog is automatically a dog napper?

As for it being immoral and wrong, that's your opinion, developed by cultural forces. For a person who claims to support multi-culturalism, you seem quite quick to jump to what amounts to "My culture is good and yours is bad because I said so".

There's no categorical difference in how a dog is treated than how a pig, or sheep, or cow, or any other animal raised for meat is treated.

The problem isn't the procedure itself, the problem is informed consent.

They may not be perfect, but the former Yugoslav states seem better off than Yugoslavia.

I never made any such comparison.

In the former Yugoslavia there is still much animosity towards each other


So why shouldn't dogs be eaten again? Other than because you dislike it?
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Postby Topoliani » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:58 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never made any such comparison.

In the former Yugoslavia there is still much animosity towards each other


So why shouldn't dogs be eaten again? Other than because you dislike it?

Cuz they're cute

But then again so are cows, pigs, sheep, goats...

uh...

They're pets, not food!

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:01 pm

Topoliani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So why shouldn't dogs be eaten again? Other than because you dislike it?

Cuz they're cute

But then again so are cows, pigs, sheep, goats...

uh...

They're pets, not food!

Oh right, blAAtschApen


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Postby Topoliani » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Topoliani wrote:Cuz they're cute

But then again so are cows, pigs, sheep, goats...

uh...

They're pets, not food!

Oh right, blAAtschApen


I would very much support eating Blaat, mutton tastes good.

I'm telling...
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why is that a good thing?

Sometimes women want to adjust their genitals. Why is that a bad thing if it's by choice to you?
Well actually, mutilating any part of your body is objectively bad, but fgc exists as well.

That's false.


Because dog napping is wrong

True.
San Lumen wrote:and to create meat out of a creature that is overwhelmingly a pet across most of the world is immoral and wrong.

1: Says who?
2: What about in places where they are considered food?
San Lumen wrote:Plus the way they are treated is so despicable I can't even describe it.

True.
San Lumen wrote:Its great the industry is collapsing.

Why?
San Lumen wrote:If its a choice fine but most of the time its not.

And sometimes it is. So when it is a choice it shouldn't bother you.
San Lumen wrote:How is it false? Look at how African Americans in the south were treated.

Like I said, in certain cases it's bad.
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Postby Denmark1 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:34 pm

Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

Denmark needs the yellow vests with Denmark’s falling birth rate and the growing Islamic immigration Denmark could fall before Sweden! Funny huh.
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Postby Estanglia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:40 pm

Denmark1 wrote:
Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

Denmark needs the yellow vests with Denmark’s falling birth rate and the growing Islamic immigration Denmark could fall before Sweden! Funny huh.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:45 pm

Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.


I thought the Yellow Vests were protesting against paying a fuel tax to protect the Earth from climate change. Or have the Yellow Vests just decided to become all out evil cartoon villains now?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:58 pm

Denmark1 wrote:
Gappinc wrote:The Yelllow Vests are spreading across Europe. It's over. Justice will be served and Europe will be reclaimed by those who belong to her. Your multiculturalism is done.

Denmark needs the yellow vests with Denmark’s falling birth rate and the growing Islamic immigration Denmark could fall before Sweden! Funny huh.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:02 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Denmark1 wrote:Denmark needs the yellow vests with Denmark’s falling birth rate and the growing Islamic immigration Denmark could fall before Sweden! Funny huh.
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Countries don't call because of immigration.


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