Sexy Bigotry

[The Parkus Empire]

There have been--I have seen them-- allegations to the effect that if you aren't attracted to blacks, it's racist, or if you aren't attracted to transsexuals, it's transphobic, etc. I would like to know where everyone stands on that?

Now certainly I will be the first to agree that sex and lust can absolutely be immoral. But bigoted? I don't agree. Let us suppose a woman wants a dominant man (or a man wants a subordinate woman): does this make her a misogynist? Obviously not. And if she isn't attracted to lesbians, does that make her homophobic? By no means. So maybe we shouldn't be too hasty of calling sexualities "racist" or such.

[Aillyria]

I don't really think a sexual preference can be bigoted, I mean that's utterly ridiculous.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’m not into foot stuff
Doesn’t mean I hate feet

[The Parkus Empire]

I’m not into foot stuff
Doesn’t mean I hate feet

At least that means you're not a pedophile

[Ostroeuropa]

I considered this a bit.
I think they may have a point but have garbled the expression of it.

I used to think I was more attracted to whites than others.
But then I took a step back and realized I was comparing a mental image of whites to a mental image of minorities and deciding whites were more attractive.
Following this, I actually paid attention and noted that when a white wasn't attractive I didn't tally it up, and when a minority was I viewed it as an exception.
I suspect I'm attracted to beautiful people in general, and the problem was my mental image of "Generic black/arab" etc, and "Generic white."

That generic image is probably due to cultural and media depictions.

I also suspect i'm not the only person who "Likes whites" with this tendency.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’m not into foot stuff
Doesn’t mean I hate feet

At least that means you're not a pedophile

Ha

[MERIZoC]

There have been--I have seen them-- allegations to the effect that if you aren't attracted to blacks, it's racist, or if you aren't attracted to transsexuals, it's transphobic, etc

I don't believe you tbh, nobody actually thinks this.

[Vassenor]

I’m not into foot stuff
Doesn’t mean I hate feet

At least that means you're not a pedophile

>mixing Greek and Latin

-twitch-

[The Parkus Empire]

There have been--I have seen them-- allegations to the effect that if you aren't attracted to blacks, it's racist, or if you aren't attracted to transsexuals, it's transphobic, etc

I don't believe you tbh, nobody actually thinks this.

As you will

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's all a part of the idea that our ideas of sexual attraction come more from society than from biology, and therefore, if one doesn't find a certain group attractive then it is because of society deciding those people are undesirable. I don't buy the idea for a second, and think that sexual attraction clearly is more biological than social, as otherwise people wouldn't have socially unacceptable sexual attractions.

[Cetacea]

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it's about blanket judgements of whole groups based on your personal preferences - why do you prefer one group over another?

saying "I prefer girls with red hair" is fine, saying "I think Irish girls are sexy" is borderline sexist (is that all Irish girls?) , saying I only like White girls is racist

[Vassenor]

There have been--I have seen them-- allegations to the effect that if you aren't attracted to blacks, it's racist, or if you aren't attracted to transsexuals, it's transphobic, etc

I don't believe you tbh, nobody actually thinks this.

I've seen it on those "look at the tumblr stupid" compilations and that's about it.

I call Poe on it.

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't believe you tbh, nobody actually thinks this.

I've seen it on those "look at the tumblr stupid" compilations and that's about it.

I call Poe on it.

This is not poe

http://ciscritical-not-cisphobic.tumblr ... e-you-have

[Vassenor]

I've seen it on those "look at the tumblr stupid" compilations and that's about it.

I call Poe on it.

This is not poe

http://ciscritical-not-cisphobic.tumblr ... e-you-have

So how does one post from five years ago prove it's not someone trolling?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I don't think it's racist to have preferences. And one might certainly say that they find traits that are more common among certain ethnicities unattractive/attractive. But it would be rather odd to insist you're not attracted to any black/white people at all, given that the only trait that all black/white people share is dark/light skin, and I find it hard to believe one might sincerely find a particular skin tone so repulsive that it overrides all other traits.

Basically, if you can make a blanket statement of "I'm not attracted to [race]", I reckon you're either full of shit or asexual.

[Ostroeuropa]

For the record I want an equal partner who is willing to give off signals/displays of dominance just to be subversive, and also because it'll make me feel safer.
Which is dumb, as the last bunch of women who gave off this kind of signal were uh.

Not great.
I'm sure i'll find my knight in shining armor one day though.

I'm not attracted to subordinate women, they tend to irritate me. I've handled one or two who gave off signals/displays of subordinance while actually being equal, and that was fine.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't think it's racist to have preferences. And one might certainly say that they find traits that are more common among certain ethnicities unattractive/attractive. But it would be rather odd to insist you're not attracted to any black/white people at all, given that the only trait that all black/white people share is dark/light skin, and I find it hard to believe one might sincerely find a particular skin tone so repulsive that it overrides all other traits.

Basically, if you can make a blanket statement of "I'm not attracted to [race]", I reckon you're either full of shit or asexual.

There's nothing wrong with making generalizations based on statistics. I've only met one Asian I was attracted to and I've only met a few black women I'm attracted to. It would be mostly true for me to say that I'm less attracted to Asians or black women

[Ifreann]

It's all a part of the idea that our ideas of sexual attraction come more from society than from biology, and therefore, if one doesn't find a certain group attractive then it is because of society deciding those people are undesirable. I don't buy the idea for a second, and think that sexual attraction clearly is more biological than social, as otherwise people wouldn't have socially unacceptable sexual attractions.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I don't think it's racist to have preferences. And one might certainly say that they find traits that are more common among certain ethnicities unattractive/attractive. But it would be rather odd to insist you're not attracted to any black/white people at all, given that the only trait that all black/white people share is dark/light skin, and I find it hard to believe one might sincerely find a particular skin tone so repulsive that it overrides all other traits.

Basically, if you can make a blanket statement of "I'm not attracted to [race]", I reckon you're either full of shit or asexual.

There's nothing wrong with making generalizations based on statistics. I've only met one Asian I was attracted to and I've only met a few black women I'm attracted to. It would be mostly true for me to say that I'm less attracted to Asians or black women

I agree. I don't see anything wrong with the statement "I'm generally not attracted to [race]".

[Liriena]

Depending on the hows and whys, sexual preferences can be bigoted, but even then one can make a distinction between active, malicious bigotry and mere unconscious bias. We don't really have a lot of control over what arouses us, and sometimes, even if you remove societal racism or societal transphobia from the equation, your preferences may still develop in such a way that you simply won't find, say, a dark skin tone or a sort of eye shape attractive.

A straight man who doesn't feel attracted towards trans women is not necessarily guilty of some sort of moral failing. The problem would be if his lack of attraction came coupled with more active attitudes of disdain or the like, or stereotypes and prejudices about the worth or character of trans women. I would definitely encourage all people to put their preferences through some introspection (over the past couple of years I've come to realize how my preferences have been partially conditioned by my social and cultural circumstances), but I would not outright demand that someone who, say, doesn't find dark-skinned people attractive start dating them.

[Liriena]

I've seen it on those "look at the tumblr stupid" compilations and that's about it.

I call Poe on it.

This is not poe

http://ciscritical-not-cisphobic.tumblr ... e-you-have

That's peak poe

[Bombadil]

Generally one is attracted to what one is used to and surrounded by, it's not racist per se but can be a result of racial social divisions.

[Ifreann]

Depending on the hows and whys, sexual preferences can be bigoted, but even then one can make a distinction between active, malicious bigotry and mere unconscious bias. We don't really have a lot of control over what arouses us, and sometimes, even if you remove societal racism or societal transphobia from the equation, your preferences may still develop in such a way that you simply won't find, say, a dark skin tone or a sort of eye shape attractive.

A straight man who doesn't feel attracted towards trans women is not necessarily guilty of some sort of moral failing. The problem would be if his lack of attraction came coupled with more active attitudes of disdain or the like. I would definitely encourage all people to put their preferences through some introspection (over the past couple of years I've come to realize how my preferences have been partially conditioned by my social and cultural circumstances), but I would not outright demand that someone who, say, doesn't find dark-skinned people attractive start dating them.

This doesn't provoke enough outrage. The official liberal position will have to be mandated poly relationships involving all races and genders.

[The Parkus Empire]

This is not poe

http://ciscritical-not-cisphobic.tumblr ... e-you-have

That's peak poe

Heh, no it's not, that post received overwhelming likes and reposts, and that account is still active and dead serious

[Liriena]

Depending on the hows and whys, sexual preferences can be bigoted, but even then one can make a distinction between active, malicious bigotry and mere unconscious bias. We don't really have a lot of control over what arouses us, and sometimes, even if you remove societal racism or societal transphobia from the equation, your preferences may still develop in such a way that you simply won't find, say, a dark skin tone or a sort of eye shape attractive.

A straight man who doesn't feel attracted towards trans women is not necessarily guilty of some sort of moral failing. The problem would be if his lack of attraction came coupled with more active attitudes of disdain or the like. I would definitely encourage all people to put their preferences through some introspection (over the past couple of years I've come to realize how my preferences have been partially conditioned by my social and cultural circumstances), but I would not outright demand that someone who, say, doesn't find dark-skinned people attractive start dating them.

This doesn't provoke enough outrage. The official liberal position will have to be mandated poly relationships involving all races and genders.

I'm okay with that policy so long as all of my partners are Olympic swimmers and figure skaters. *nod*