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Religious Animal Slaughter/cruelty

Postby Ecleptalia » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:36 am

The male circumcision thread has gone off-topic, so I created a new thread to talk about religious animal slaughter/cruelty to get the other thread back on-topic.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:07 am

OP needs more meat. Say your opinion on it, then say "What do you think, NSG?"
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Postby Appalachian Communists » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:09 am

NERVUN wrote:There's been a slew of these lately, so as a reminder:

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Postby USS Monitor » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:26 am

Even when you're making a new thread to stop a threadjack, you still need to give some background info. What were the arguments in the threadjack? Which side of the argument do you support?
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:28 pm

Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.
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Postby Kramanica » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:29 pm

Ecleptalia wrote:The male circumcision thread has gone off-topic, so I created a new thread to talk about religious animal slaughter/cruelty to get the other thread back on-topic.

And what is your opinion on this matter, good sir?

And what were the arguments being made in the thread?
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:49 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.


On the other hand the slaughter is nearly painless and as the animal must be 'without blemish' the meat is generally of much higher quality.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:51 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.

1: And we're under no obligation to adopt kufr
2: What about Christian slaughter methods?
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:58 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.


On the other hand the slaughter is nearly painless and as the animal must be 'without blemish' the meat is generally of much higher quality.


True, and that is the only reason I can think of to further tolerate the practice. At least until something similar is implemented on an industrial scale or synthetic meat becomes commonplace.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
On the other hand the slaughter is nearly painless and as the animal must be 'without blemish' the meat is generally of much higher quality.


True, and that is the only reason I can think of to further tolerate the practice.

Besides just leaving it be?
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:At least until something similar is implemented on an industrial scale or synthetic meat becomes commonplace.

Then animals would overpopulate the planet.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
True, and that is the only reason I can think of to further tolerate the practice.

Besides just leaving it be?
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:At least until something similar is implemented on an industrial scale or synthetic meat becomes commonplace.

Then animals would overpopulate the planet.

Eh, not really. Nature tends to find a pretty good balance. The only real reason that farm animals are so populous is because of us. If we stopped protecting them and breeding them, they'd probably be absorbed into the ecosystem. Might be some big swings in terms of predator numbers at first.
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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:39 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.

1: And we're under no obligation to adopt kufr
2: What about Christian slaughter methods?


1. Correct, nor should your co-religionists burden themselves with the displeasure of living in infidel lands. Surely it must be horrible to live admist godless heathens and their sacrilegious ways.

2. As far as I'm aware, there are no dedicate Christian slaughter methods, animal slaughter techniques in Europe always being dictated by practicality rather than faith. If there are, however, my opinion of them would be hardly different - unless of course they somehow ensured a superior end product.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:44 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:1: And we're under no obligation to adopt kufr
2: What about Christian slaughter methods?


1. Correct, nor should your co-religionists burden themselves with the displeasure of living in infidel lands. Surely it must be horrible to live admist godless heathens and their sacrilegious ways.

Not really. Just don't push kufr onto us.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:53 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:Don't really care how the meat in question is procured myself, as long as it is fresh and tastes good.

I would, however, strongly support a Europe-wide ban on halal/kosher slaughter if only because that would help keep unwanted outsiders out of my beloved home continent and force those who wish to remain to adopt our ways. We have no obligation to accomodate their inferior superstitions.

Disgusting. I don't know why the mods posting here are ignoring that, but there's no way that that last part is within site rules.

I haven't really decided on a position on the issue, I'm still reading up on it, but if your reason for banning something is just to oppress people of a certain religion, you're despicable. Europe has no obligation to accommodate your inferior mindset.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:1: And we're under no obligation to adopt kufr
2: What about Christian slaughter methods?


1. Correct, nor should your co-religionists burden themselves with the displeasure of living in infidel lands. Surely it must be horrible to live admist godless heathens and their sacrilegious ways.

2. As far as I'm aware, there are no dedicate Christian slaughter methods, animal slaughter techniques in Europe always being dictated by practicality rather than faith. If there are, however, my opinion of them would be hardly different - unless of course they somehow ensured a superior end product.


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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:10 pm

Ecleptalia wrote:The male circumcision thread has gone off-topic, so I created a new thread to talk about religious animal slaughter/cruelty to get the other thread back on-topic.

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