Iceland To Ban Male Circumcision

[Ors Might]

I don’t give two fucks about their religion or cultural identity. What I do care about is baby boys being mutilated. If it weren’t for that little thing, they could do whatever the hell they want and I wouldn’t be bothered. Get off your cross, the world doesn’t revolve around Jews.

Which is why you obviously shouldn't have a say as to what said community does, or any power over it. It's not at all important or foundational to your existence so you're fine with throwing stones and telling them to change to your worldview where you see fit.

And for the record, I'm not Jewish, if you can't tell by the Cross of Jerusalem I have as my flag and the Christian verse in my signature. I'm not anymore "on a cross" than you are for arguing the anti-circumcision secular modernist point of view.

Yes I’m very fine with judging them based on my world view. Guess what? That describes literally every one else in regards to all other people. I will continue to judge people who mutilate children. I will push for laws that prevent children from being mutilated. If that offends people who want to continue to mutilate children, then they can piss right off. I don’t care for the feelings of anyone who would abuse a child.

I could kinda tell, mate. It’s pretty irrelevant though as you’re defending barbaric practices.

[Salus Maior]

+child abuse
+complete disregard for health & safety
+in some cases literally giving babies STDs

The only conceivable scenarios where circumcision is morally acceptable is in case of medical need and in the case that the patient willingly goes through with it while understanding what it means.

What if they're a baby and they medically need it?

[The South Falls]

Also that one took place in a terrible society, filled with murder. And the other poses no risk to infants, other than ones who are of unclear genital orientation.

I apologize that I and many others find genital mutilation abhorrent.

Genital Mutilation would technically be the term for it, yes. However, that technically is as thin as a piece of straw. The thing is, that this is cutting off an 'extra layer', that doesn't honestly make any risks.

I apologize that I and many others find genital mutilation abhorrent.

+child abuse
+complete disregard for health & safety
+in some cases literally giving babies STDs

How is circumcision giving a baby an STD?

Child Abuse, seriously? It's not abusing a child. Many people have their foreskins cut off, and they don't suffer any effects afterward. Circumsicision also does not produce a health risk, and people don't get STD's from having their foreskins cut off. If babies have STD's like syphilis, then that's because their fathers did.

[Blood Wine]

The only conceivable scenarios where circumcision is morally acceptable is in case of medical need and in the case that the patient willingly goes through with it while understanding what it means.

What if they're a baby and they medically need it?

Then it's fine - he literally just said that (see the part i underlined)

[Ors Might]

The only conceivable scenarios where circumcision is morally acceptable is in case of medical need and in the case that the patient willingly goes through with it while understanding what it means.

What if they're a baby and they medically need it?

Then they should have it. I apologize if I made that unclear, somehow.

[Des-Bal]

It is required as part of their cultural and religious identity, which encompasses the Jewish identity both religious and irreligious.

And why should anyone, especially Jews, care about your interest in their opinion? Especially, when you have no attachment or connection to that culture and clamor for them to change based on your own culture and ideas.

Because they're cutting baby penises.

You don't get to pretend not to understand this, you already admitted you'd be on the other side if this was murder. "Religious Identity" is not an absolute grant, you have admitted this. It doesn't matter if it's part of their religious identity, the only thing left to discuss is whether or not dick cutting deserves a pass.

[Ifreann]

I don’t give two fucks about their religion or cultural identity. What I do care about is baby boys being mutilated. If it weren’t for that little thing, they could do whatever the hell they want and I wouldn’t be bothered. Get off your cross, the world doesn’t revolve around Jews.

Which is why you obviously shouldn't have a say as to what said community does, or any power over it. It's not at all important or foundational to your existence so you're fine with throwing stones and telling them to change to your worldview where you see fit.

And for the record, I'm not Jewish, if you can't tell by the Cross of Jerusalem I have as my flag and the Christian verse in my signature. I'm not anymore "on a cross" than you are for arguing the anti-circumcision secular modernist point of view.

I don't know how to tell you this, but the governments of the world do, in fact, have the power to pass laws that are binding on Jews, Christians, or any other community within their jurisdiction.

[Fartsniffage]

I apologize that I and many others find genital mutilation abhorrent.

Genital Mutilation would technically be the term for it, yes. However, that technically is as thin as a piece of straw. The thing is, that this is cutting off an 'extra layer', that doesn't honestly make any risks.

+child abuse
+complete disregard for health & safety
+in some cases literally giving babies STDs

How is circumcision giving a baby an STD?

Child Abuse, seriously? It's not abusing a child. Many people have their foreskins cut off, and they don't suffer any effects afterward. Circumsicision also does not produce a health risk, and people don't get STD's from having their foreskins cut off. If babies have STD's like syphilis, then that's because their fathers did.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/07/h ... cumcision/

[Ors Might]

I apologize that I and many others find genital mutilation abhorrent.

Genital Mutilation would technically be the term for it, yes. However, that technically is as thin as a piece of straw. The thing is, that this is cutting off an 'extra layer', that doesn't honestly make any risks.

+child abuse
+complete disregard for health & safety
+in some cases literally giving babies STDs

How is circumcision giving a baby an STD?

Child Abuse, seriously? It's not abusing a child. Many people have their foreskins cut off, and they don't suffer any effects afterward. Circumsicision also does not produce a health risk, and people don't get STD's from having their foreskins cut off. If babies have STD's like syphilis, then that's because their fathers did.

That it supposedly carries zero risk is irrelevant here. It’s wrong to cut someone’s junk without their consent.

[Salus Maior]

It is required as part of their cultural and religious identity, which encompasses the Jewish identity both religious and irreligious.

And why should anyone, especially Jews, care about your interest in their opinion? Especially, when you have no attachment or connection to that culture and clamor for them to change based on your own culture and ideas.

You have no idea on my connections to that culture.

And mutilating people without their consent is bad no matter what the reasons.

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

[Blood Wine]

I apologize that I and many others find genital mutilation abhorrent.

Genital Mutilation would technically be the term for it, yes. However, that technically is as thin as a piece of straw. The thing is, that this is cutting off an 'extra layer', that doesn't honestly make any risks.

+child abuse
+complete disregard for health & safety
+in some cases literally giving babies STDs

How is circumcision giving a baby an STD?

Child Abuse, seriously? It's not abusing a child. Many people have their foreskins cut off, and they don't suffer any effects afterward. Circumsicision also does not produce a health risk, and people don't get STD's from having their foreskins cut off. If babies have STD's like syphilis, then that's because their fathers did.

1. there is quite a big risk of complication resulting in death
2. its a cosmetic surgery, would you accept a baby being pierced in their ears?
3. no, its because a rabbi gave it to them

[The South Falls]

Genital Mutilation would technically be the term for it, yes. However, that technically is as thin as a piece of straw. The thing is, that this is cutting off an 'extra layer', that doesn't honestly make any risks.

How is circumcision giving a baby an STD?

Child Abuse, seriously? It's not abusing a child. Many people have their foreskins cut off, and they don't suffer any effects afterward. Circumsicision also does not produce a health risk, and people don't get STD's from having their foreskins cut off. If babies have STD's like syphilis, then that's because their fathers did.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/07/h ... cumcision/

That's an ultra-orthodox religious group. They literally SUCKED away the blood. That's how the STD came, not through the blood. If a trained doctor does it, even at birth, then the baby will be fine.

[Des-Bal]

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

Nonconsensual penis cutting is not an imposition on a man's life.

[Blood Wine]

You have no idea on my connections to that culture.

And mutilating people without their consent is bad no matter what the reasons.

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

You can be jewish and oppose circumcision

[Des-Bal]

That's an ultra-orthodox religious group. They literally SUCKED away the blood. That's how the STD came, not through the blood. If a trained doctor does it, even at birth, then the baby will be fine.

Last year's pile of 200 dead babies disagrees.

[Salus Maior]

Which is why you obviously shouldn't have a say as to what said community does, or any power over it. It's not at all important or foundational to your existence so you're fine with throwing stones and telling them to change to your worldview where you see fit.

And for the record, I'm not Jewish, if you can't tell by the Cross of Jerusalem I have as my flag and the Christian verse in my signature. I'm not anymore "on a cross" than you are for arguing the anti-circumcision secular modernist point of view.

I don't know how to tell you this, but the governments of the world do, in fact, have the power to pass laws that are binding on Jews, Christians, or any other community within their jurisdiction.

Naturally. That doesn't mean they should actively pass laws on things that are incredibly important to said tradition, and aren't a real imposition to their productivity in the nation. That's tyrannical, and intolerant.

[Des-Bal]

Naturally. That doesn't mean they should actively pass laws on things that are incredibly important to said tradition, and aren't a real imposition to their productivity in the nation. That's tyrannical, and intolerant.

Protecting people from having their bodies surgically altered against their will is neither tyrannical nor intolerant.

[Blood Wine]

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/07/h ... cumcision/

That's an ultra-orthodox religious group. They literally SUCKED away the blood. That's how the STD came, not through the blood. If a trained doctor does it, even at birth, then the baby will be fine.

Also not true
http://www.circinfo.org/USA_deaths.html

[Salus Maior]

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

Nonconsensual penis cutting is not an imposition on a man's life.

Nope. They will still grow up to be a productive, and probably patriotic citizen with the possibility of a vibrant life.

[Des-Bal]

Nope. They will still grow up to be a productive, and probably patriotic citizen with the possibility of a vibrant life.

And if they were molested you could say the same thing. "They'll be fine" is not an excuse to do terrible things to babies.

[Ors Might]

That's an ultra-orthodox religious group. They literally SUCKED away the blood. That's how the STD came, not through the blood. If a trained doctor does it, even at birth, then the baby will be fine.

Last year's pile of 200 dead babies disagrees.

No, no it’s okay. It’s all alright because their book told them to. Which means we have to kowtow to it.

[Salus Maior]

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

You can be jewish and oppose circumcision

One can be Jewish and anything. That doesn't make one representative of the community.

[Fartsniffage]

You have no idea on my connections to that culture.

And mutilating people without their consent is bad no matter what the reasons.

You certainly haven't made any indication that you have any connection, and unless you now intend to reveal your Jewishness that's a pointless thing to mention.

Circumcision is not an imposition on a man's life in any real sense. I'd say the exchange is a worthwhile one for those entering the Jewish culture and heritage.

Let's just say I could get Israeli citizenship tomorrow if I wanted it under the right of return and leave it at that.

And I'd say that mutilation is bad no matter the reasons. Same way I consider sharia laws to be often barbaric, and at least they mutilate an adult with an understanding of the risks of committing a crime. Cutting bits off babies who have done nothing worse than be born is simply unconscionable.

[Blood Wine]

Nonconsensual penis cutting is not an imposition on a man's life.

Nope. They will still grow up to be a productive, and probably patriotic citizen with the possibility of a vibrant life.

Having a piece of your dick cut off is quit a imposition

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/imposition

[Ors Might]

I don't know how to tell you this, but the governments of the world do, in fact, have the power to pass laws that are binding on Jews, Christians, or any other community within their jurisdiction.

Naturally. That doesn't mean they should actively pass laws on things that are incredibly important to said tradition, and aren't a real imposition to their productivity in the nation. That's tyrannical, and intolerant.

You heard it here folks. Stopping people from cutting off bits of baby dick is tyrannical.