Iceland To Ban Male Circumcision

[Jadefall]

What? That's exactly what it is. Check wikipedia. Cutting. Not decorating, or helicoptering.... cutting. Yes? I didn't say cutting off, did I? No. Cutting. Incising. Operating. Performing surgery. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

You mean they don't just slurp it off with a vacuum?

No, that's for their brains.

[Cekoviu]

Well, in the traditional Jewish manner the priest does suck the blood of the dick with his mouth.
That is kinda like a vacuum.

Now I'm imagining them getting baby foreskin stuck in their throat.
*shudders*

Why.

[The Alma Mater]

The discussion is about a ban on a non-medical useless practice forced on newborn babies who cannot consent.

Exactly no use, but also no real harm. The arguement boils down to the equivalency of "can I spank a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"

Technically the analogy would be "can I spank a kid so hard his body will show the results for the remainder of his life"

[Jadefall]

The discussion is about a ban on a non-medical useless practice forced on newborn babies who cannot consent.

Exactly no use, but also no real harm. The arguement boils down to the equivalency of "can I spank a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"

And spanking your child can get you in a lot of trouble in many countries, but at least their ass is still attached afterward.

[Chessmistress]

The discussion is about a ban on a non-medical useless practice forced on newborn babies who cannot consent.

Exactly no use, but also no real harm. The arguement boils down to the equivalency of "can I spank a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"

No.
The argument boils down to the equivalency of "can I cut a little portion of the ear of a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"
The above is a permanent body modification, that causes zero harm.

[Holy Tedalonia]

"Cutting. His. Penis."

Hardly what it is. If that was the case jews would be extinct.

What? That's exactly what it is. Check wikipedia. Cutting. Not decorating, or helicoptering.... cutting. Yes? I didn't say cutting off, did I? No. Cutting. Incising. Operating. Performing surgery. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

Last time I checked all my body parts are still intact, including the circumcised one, and to my knowledge it still operates fine.

[Telconi]

Parents do a lot of things to their children that the child cannot make informed consent to.

Sometimes there are parents killing their children.
Then there are parents abusing their children.
Then there's FGM.

Your point being?

My point being that doing something to your child sans consent is not an indication of abuse.

[Wysten]

This entire thread reminds of that one episode of Seinfeld where Kramer is trying to prevent the baby getting circumcised.

[The Alma Mater]

What? That's exactly what it is. Check wikipedia. Cutting. Not decorating, or helicoptering.... cutting. Yes? I didn't say cutting off, did I? No. Cutting. Incising. Operating. Performing surgery. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

Last time I checked all my body parts are still intact, including the circumcised one

That by definition is incorrect. If I cut off your earlobe your ear is no longer intact - even if it keeps functioning perfectly.

[Reploid Productions]

Standby, trawling the last few pages of the thread.

[Reploid Productions]

This is actually just another argument between rationalism and superstitious cults.

The rational mind cannot comprehend cultish superstition, and the superstitious mind is not rational.

This thread is going nowhere.

If that's the case, then why are you posting here? Just to make an "All religious people are irrational" jab? That's trolling. Stop it.

As another athiest who did get snipped by athiest parents, I can still get very high levels of pleasure from it, and having the tip fully exposed makes certain acts much easier to achieve without much work.

These details are really irrelevant to the topic and pushing on the PG-13 line. You can leave it at "I haven't been impeded and have found some benefits" without the additional information.

I mean, if you were the poster child for circumcision, I'd be scared as shit for children having their foreskin cut off.

Damnit, you were getting close a full year since your last one! I know that Keshi can be frustrating, however his misbehavior doesn't make it magically okay to flame him like this.
*** Soldati Senza Confini, WARNED for flaming. ***

Can I have the number to your dealer because that must be some good shit you are smoking.

You are wracking up an alarming history of harassment toward Keshi. As noted above, Keshi being frustrating or breaking the rules doesn't give you some magic get-out-of-trouble free card to harass and flame him.

*** Wysten, 7-day ban for flaming/harassment. ***

If you are pro choice then stop pretending this is about the well-being of the child

You're saying you're fine with the mother killing the child before birth but then outraged at foreskin removal

I'm not wrong all the C-ed criers are fake victims who deserve no pitty or attention in politics

Because their being whiny about it be upset but Don't force it into politics when many people are glad it was done cause life is easier for it! Also it takes away attention from women and girls who are real victims facing real problems.

The fake victims are those who had no issues after the C but still complain. They are wrong to come into politics with their anger over being C-ed and unmamed. I hope the PM tells the fake victims to stop whining and go home.

The fake victims are those who had no issues after the C but still complain. They are wrong to come into politics with their anger over being C-ed and unmamed. I hope the PM tells the fake victims to stop whining and go home.

Pass gun control for DUCK sake before talking about saving lives. End abortion as well HYPOCRITES

They can survive at 21 weeks #SorryNotSorry

This whole debate is just a ploy by male supremacists to distract from the golbal push in the west to end and punish sexual assault/harassment be and rape.

So you fake victims can stop crying any time now it's getting pathetic. I lost a pocket of useless skin I'm the biggest victim in the world. Focus on me me me not anything else but me

Any one of these posts, taken alone and absent your lengthy warning history would probably just be a "Knock it off". Taken together here, we have attempted threadjacking, flaming/flamebaiting of those who disagree with you, trolling of a rather large group of people aside from those disagreeing with you, persisted across multiple pages of the thread that I looked through. It is clear your intent is not to have a reasonable discussion on the subject, you are only here to agitate and hurl abuse at those who disagree with your viewpoints.

You've had three deletions, easily a dozen warnings for various offenses, and nearly a dozen forumbans including your recent 3-week ban. You persist in the same problematic, rulebreaking conduct with zero change or improvement. At this point, I have no reason to believe you are willing to correct your own behavior so that your arguments are within the bounds of the site rules.

*** NewLiberalParty, DEAT and 4-week forumban while my colleagues and I discuss your future on this site. ***

Thread will be unlocked once I get the paperwork processed. And unlocked.


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[San Lumen]

In my opinion this is a rather silly thing for the government to be banning. There are far more important things to worry about. Some religious like mine require circumcision. While there is no general consensus in the medical community banning it seems absurd.

[Ors Might]

In my opinion this is a rather silly thing for the government to be banning. There are far more important things to worry about. Some religious like mine require circumcision. Plus I read many studies doctors have recommended circumcision as it can prevent infections and other possible complications later.

The same benefits can easily be achieved with a condom. Neither they nor religious liberty justify taking a knife to the genitals of the unconsenting.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Last time I checked all my body parts are still intact, including the circumcised one

That by definition is incorrect. If I cut off your earlobe your ear is no longer intact - even if it keeps functioning perfectly.

Intact means it was spared from damage or impairment. I do not regard it as damage since the part itself has not suffered any damaging results.

[Jebslund]

What? That's exactly what it is. Check wikipedia. Cutting. Not decorating, or helicoptering.... cutting. Yes? I didn't say cutting off, did I? No. Cutting. Incising. Operating. Performing surgery. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

Last time I checked all my body parts are still intact, including the circumcised one, and to my knowledge it still operates fine. ;)

Hey, Webster, what's 'intact' mean?

Definition of intact

1 : untouched especially by anything that harms or diminishes : entire, uninjured

2 of a living body or its parts : having no relevant component removed or destroyed:

a : physically virginal

b : not castrated

Thanks, mate! So, as Webster just said, no, the circumcised one is not, by definition, intact, even if it is still functional. And, before you go banging on about that word 'relevant', the foreskin is there to protect the glans when not in use, like a dog's sheath. That is its biological function. It's not useless as you and others have claimed.

In my opinion this is a rather silly thing for the government to be banning. There are far more important things to worry about. Some religious like mine require circumcision. Plus I read many studies doctors have recommended circumcision as it can prevent infections and other possible complications later.

Circumcision has no benefits that can't be replicated by not being lazy when bathing and by being informed enough to know that, if you're the fastest gun in the west, there's products and techniques to help with that without resorting to surgery. I'd also like to point out that, "Religions require it" is not, in itself, a justification, and, the existence of bigger problems does not make any one problem cease to be a problem.

[shnip]
NewLiberalParty, DEAT and 4-week forumban while my colleagues and I discuss your future on this site.
[shnip]

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Um... Potentially stupid question: What's DEAT?

[Tambrey]

http://www.drmomma.org/2009/11/jack-bla ... ision.html

This seems to suggest that the type of circumcision carried out now is no what is required for jews to have a covenant with god. Not that it changes anything, imho, since there is still something very dodgy about wanting to cut baby genitals, but its interesting.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Exactly no use, but also no real harm. The arguement boils down to the equivalency of "can I spank a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"

No.
The argument boils down to the equivalency of "can I cut a little portion of the ear of a child as a parent, or is that infringing upon their bodily sovereignty?"
The above is a permanent body modification, that causes zero harm.

Nor does circumcision. I could see a possible aesthetic issue to it, but even then its not like many people are going to see it. The process of circumcising is a painless process itself, though.

[Neutraligon]

Last time I checked all my body parts are still intact, including the circumcised one, and to my knowledge it still operates fine.

Hey, Webster, what's 'intact' mean?

Definition of intact

1 : untouched especially by anything that harms or diminishes : entire, uninjured

2 of a living body or its parts : having no relevant component removed or destroyed:

a : physically virginal

b : not castrated

Thanks, mate! So, as Webster just said, no, the circumcised one is not, by definition, intact, even if it is still functional. And, before you go banging on about that word 'relevant', the foreskin is there to protect the glans when not in use, like a dog's sheath. That is its biological function. It's not useless as you and others have claimed.

In my opinion this is a rather silly thing for the government to be banning. There are far more important things to worry about. Some religious like mine require circumcision. Plus I read many studies doctors have recommended circumcision as it can prevent infections and other possible complications later.

Circumcision has no benefits that can't be replicated by not being lazy when bathing and by being informed enough to know that, if you're the fastest gun in the west, there's products and techniques to help with that without resorting to surgery. I'd also like to point out that, "Religions require it" is not, in itself, a justification, and, the existence of bigger problems does not make any one problem cease to be a problem.

[shnip]
NewLiberalParty, DEAT and 4-week forumban while my colleagues and I discuss your future on this site.
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Um... Potentially stupid question: What's DEAT?

NS slang for delete. Basically the nation will be forced to stop existing and become an ex-nation.

[Holt]

I honestly think that Iceland shouldn't ban it, but had to make a age limit for male circumcision: 16 years or older. Because then you can at that age take decisions of your life (like circumcision, relationships etc.)

[Luminesa]

An insignificant amount, not worth it. Just like banning guns. The deaths are insignificant. Call me when the deaths start going up to 1 million

One preventable death is one too many.

People die from bad reactions to flu shots, doesn’t mean it’s a lot, nor is it enough to stop giving flu shots.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I honestly think that Iceland shouldn't ban it, but had to make a age limit for male circumcision: 16 years or older. Because then you can at that age take decisions of your life (like circumcision, relationships etc.)

Goes against Judaism.

[Holy Tedalonia]

One preventable death is one too many.

People die from bad reactions to flu shots, doesn’t mean it’s a lot, nor is it enough to stop giving flu shots.

Aren't flu shots given to children regardless of consent if the parent wants it done?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

People die from bad reactions to flu shots, doesn’t mean it’s a lot, nor is it enough to stop giving flu shots.

Aren't flu shots given to children regardless of consent if the parent wants it done?

No, parents can give or not give consent to their children getting shots.

[Ors Might]

I honestly think that Iceland shouldn't ban it, but had to make a age limit for male circumcision: 16 years or older. Because then you can at that age take decisions of your life (like circumcision, relationships etc.)

Goes against Judaism.

And?

[Holt]

I honestly think that Iceland shouldn't ban it, but had to make a age limit for male circumcision: 16 years or older. Because then you can at that age take decisions of your life (like circumcision, relationships etc.)

Goes against Judaism.

Who says i am against Judaism?