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Postby Ultramarr » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:41 pm

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Ultramarr wrote:They deserve to be "discriminated" and worse if they think satanic ritual mutilation of children is ok

Don't bring your Nazi shit into the thread. Go back to Stormfront if you want a "JEWS ARE THE DEVIL" circlejerk.

How is it Nazi to say genital mutilation of little boys is ritual mutilation

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:42 pm

Camicon wrote:I'm not discriminating against Jews, I am advocating for equality. Male babies should be protected from genital mutilation the same as female babies.

That Judaism has some weird fascination with the former is their problem, not mine.


So you are discriminating against Jews. And why should Jews be forced to live by the standards of people who do not have their interests in mind?

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It's also murder. Which circumcision isn't.

Both are violations of basic human rights.


According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life, and obviously should not be judged as if they're the same severity.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:42 pm

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Genivaria wrote:There are members of the Abrahamic faiths who still practice animal sacrifice rituals to this day, I'd also support banning them for humanitarian reasons.
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Muslims still do animal sacrifices on certain holidays I believe, after which they eat it iirc.

Yeah, but that's not really a sacrifice tho. Allah (SWT) does not want us to sacrifice in that way.
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Postby Camicon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:43 pm

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Camicon wrote:Don't bring your Nazi shit into the thread. Go back to Stormfront if you want a "JEWS ARE THE DEVIL" circlejerk.

How is it Nazi to say genital mutilation of little boys is ritual mutilation

"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.
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Camicon wrote:I'm not discriminating against Jews, I am advocating for equality. Male babies should be protected from genital mutilation the same as female babies.

That Judaism has some weird fascination with the former is their problem, not mine.


So you are discriminating against Jews. And why should Jews be forced to live by the standards of people who do not have their interests in mind?

That's not discrimination against Jews. And there's this little something called "the social contract". If Jews in Iceland don't like not being able to mutilate their male children, then move.
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Camicon wrote:Both are violations of basic human rights.


According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:44 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Camicon wrote:I'm not discriminating against Jews, I am advocating for equality. Male babies should be protected from genital mutilation the same as female babies.

That Judaism has some weird fascination with the former is their problem, not mine.


So you are discriminating against Jews. And why should Jews be forced to live by the standards of people who do not have their interests in mind?

Camicon wrote:Both are violations of basic human rights.


According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life, and obviously should not be judged as if they're the same severity.

Why should little boys be stuck with parens that want to cut off bits of their penis?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:44 pm

Camicon wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:How is it Nazi to say genital mutilation of little boys is ritual mutilation

"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.
Salus Maior wrote:
According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.


You didn't answer the question, who is making the rules here?
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Postby Auze » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 pm

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If religion is causing so much trouble then why don't we just get rid of religion? Good morals can still exist without them. You don't need Christianity to be a good person.

I'd love that to happen, to be honest.

Ok, but let's also ban atheism, and non-alignment
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Postby Ultramarr » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 pm

Camicon wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:How is it Nazi to say genital mutilation of little boys is ritual mutilation

"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.
Salus Maior wrote:
According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.

Yes I find ritual mutilation of babies private parts demonic. Doesn't make one a Nazi

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Camicon wrote:I'm not discriminating against Jews, I am advocating for equality. Male babies should be protected from genital mutilation the same as female babies.

That Judaism has some weird fascination with the former is their problem, not mine.


So you are discriminating against Jews. And why should Jews be forced to live by the standards of people who do not have their interests in mind?

Camicon wrote:Both are violations of basic human rights.


According to what and who?

And having a procedure that ultimately effects you very little in your life is completely different from literally taking someone's life, and obviously should not be judged as if they're the same severity.

So are you judging these based on their consequences or based on the religion?
I judge both on the former.

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Postby Camicon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:46 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Camicon wrote:"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.


You didn't answer the question, who is making the rules here?

Society does.

Punching me in the face is a crime because I have the right to be free from physical harm put upon me by other people. I have bodily autonomy.

Circumcision is a violation of bodily autonomy.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:46 pm

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Pilarcraft wrote:I'd love that to happen, to be honest.

Ok, but let's also ban atheism, and non-alignment

So you advocate genocide?

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Postby Auze » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:46 pm

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Wendowie Poland wrote:Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

and Baha'i faith and Mormonism, among others

Mormonism is part of Christianity
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Postby Camicon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:47 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Camicon wrote:"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.

Yes I find ritual mutilation of babies private parts demonic. Doesn't make one a Nazi

Your flag isn't nearly so clever as you think, and we can all see your posting history.
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Auze wrote:Ok, but let's also ban atheism, and non-alignment

So you advocate genocide?

I was referencing to how they were supporting banning religion, so I made it work the other way.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:49 pm

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Genivaria wrote:So you advocate genocide?

I was referencing to how they were supporting banning religion, so I made it work the other way.

No they're not.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:49 pm

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How is it absurd? A law banning all the population from practicing circumcision is still banning Jews from practicing circumcision.

And Jews are exempt from the law now?

They should be.
Hakons wrote:Yep, they truly don't care about how terrible this bill is to Judaism. Secular morality has reared its head, and the religious must oppose it.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 pm

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Salus Maior wrote:
Muslims still do animal sacrifices on certain holidays I believe, after which they eat it iirc.

Yeah, but that's not really a sacrifice tho. Allah (SWT) does not want us to sacrifice in that way.

Oh, wait, nvm, you're right.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:51 pm

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You didn't answer the question, who is making the rules here?

Society does.

Punching me in the face is a crime because I have the right to be free from physical harm put upon me by other people. I have bodily autonomy.

Circumcision is a violation of bodily autonomy.


Society is far from an infallible source of of justice and decent lawmaking. The majority should not enforce its values on every minority culture, and you know this and believe this.
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Postby Crockerland » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:52 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Camicon wrote:"satanic ritual mutilation"

Yeah, you can knock right off with that shit.

Are you seriously about to argue that babies don't have a right to bodily autonomy?

And circumcision does have a life-long impact on those affected. I actually have a vert nifty post all ready-made for this particular misconception, let me go find it.

Yes I find ritual mutilation of babies private parts demonic. Doesn't make one a Nazi

It's more likely your routine Holocaust denial that's lead people to think you might be a Nazi than your stance on circumcision.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And Jews are exempt from the law now?

They should be.
Hakons wrote:Yep, they truly don't care about how terrible this bill is to Judaism. Secular morality has reared its head, and the religious must oppose it.

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Why should they be exempt from the law they aren't special or some kind of superior race like the "god's chosen people" claim they want to live in Iceland they should follow the laws like everyone else

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Postby Ultramarr » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:53 pm

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Camicon wrote:Society does.

Punching me in the face is a crime because I have the right to be free from physical harm put upon me by other people. I have bodily autonomy.

Circumcision is a violation of bodily autonomy.


Society is far from an infallible source of of justice and decent lawmaking. The majority should not enforce its values on every minority culture, and you know this and believe this.

This is a video on the effects of genital mutilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zkKciuIpA
Muh culture is not an argument some cultures are better than others if a culture believes mutilating defenceless babie's private parts is ok its a bad culture

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They should be.

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Why should they be exempt from the law they aren't special or some kind of superior race like the "god's chosen people" claim they want to live in Iceland they should follow the laws like everyone else

Jews should follow Halakhah.
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Postby Camicon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Camicon wrote:Society does.

Punching me in the face is a crime because I have the right to be free from physical harm put upon me by other people. I have bodily autonomy.

Circumcision is a violation of bodily autonomy.


Society is far from an infallible source of of justice and decent lawmaking. The majority should not enforce its values on every minority culture, and you know this and believe this.

Don't presume to tell me what I believe.

Morals and ethics are social constructs. Society is not infallible, no, but it is the one and only place that these things come from; it is why they are legitimate. And if a minority culture does shit like mutilate their male children on the regular because there isn't a law telling people "hey, don't mutilate your baby boys" then I have absolutely no qualms with making that law.
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Postby Ultramarr » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:55 pm

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Ultramarr wrote:Yes I find ritual mutilation of babies private parts demonic. Doesn't make one a Nazi

It's more likely your routine Holocaust denial that's lead people to think you might be a Nazi than your stance on circumcision.

I am not a Nazi although I am a fascist. I don't believe in the racial stuff the Nazis said

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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:56 pm

As a circumcised Jew I support banning circumcision until adulthood when the individual can at last consent to such 'modification' to one's genitals.
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