Iceland To Ban Male Circumcision

[Genivaria]

Considering that the justification for this is for medical reasons and to protect the child's body before they can even make such a decision it is quite absurd to claim that protecting this Jewish raised child is somehow anti-Jewish.

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

Are you suggesting that their family and community would exile the child because he couldn't be circumcised?

[Salus Maior]

Don't be willfully blind, Camicon. Even if there are more than just Jews who circumcise, guess what? It still discriminates against Jews. You can’t use mental gymnastics to get out of that.

That’s like saying a state that bans cannabis is ant semiotic because the jews that live there can’t consume cannabis

That's stupid, Aureumterra and it's not related at all. It is not a religious requirement or tradition for Jews to consume cannabis, and as far as I know it's not a requirement in any religion.

[Ors Might]

Considering that the justification for this is for medical reasons and to protect the child's body before they can even make such a decision it is quite absurd to claim that protecting this Jewish raised child is somehow anti-Jewish.

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

I’d say preventing children from having their genitals cut up is a pretty good thing.

[Camicon]

"Jews are affected by legislation that stops the population of the state as a whole from doing X" is not antisemitism.

"Jews are affected by legislation that keeps the from going to Synagogue" is not antisemitism.

Edited to clarify.

[Salus Maior]

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

Are you suggesting that their family and community would exile the child because he couldn't be circumcised?

No, but it's a rite of passage. They wouldn't have really made it into the tribe of Israel and into the Mosaic covenant.

[Hakons]

I'm offering examples of the expressions of Judaism. It appears the secular types are unable to comprehend religious perspectives. It's not the "sad zone," but you were just going for the cheap insult approach.

Religious expression is protected under the law right up until it is deemed harmful.
Christians had to get over the 'persecution' that they couldn't kill Mormons anymore.

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

[Aureumterra]

Considering that the justification for this is for medical reasons and to protect the child's body before they can even make such a decision it is quite absurd to claim that protecting this Jewish raised child is somehow anti-Jewish.

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

So a kid who has his genitals intact is shunned from his society?

[Genivaria]

That’s like saying a state that bans cannabis is ant semiotic because the jews that live there can’t consume cannabis

Is cannabis a part of Judaism?

It's a part of Rastafari.
Does that mean that banning marijuana is a violation of religious freedom?

[Des-Bal]

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

No, because it literally doesn't discriminate between jews and non jews. What you want is a discriminatory law.

[Aureumterra]

Religious expression is protected under the law right up until it is deemed harmful.
Christians had to get over the 'persecution' that they couldn't kill Mormons anymore.

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

Um… read the thread title

[Genivaria]

Religious expression is protected under the law right up until it is deemed harmful.
Christians had to get over the 'persecution' that they couldn't kill Mormons anymore.

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

Who is 'we' here exactly?

[Des-Bal]

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

One less now. And hopefully the tide of sensibility will spread and then virtually every Western nation will disagree with you.

[Hakons]

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

Um… read the thread title

This is a bill yet to become law. No western nation currently bans circumcision.

[Salus Maior]

Don't be willfully blind, Camicon. Even if there are more than just Jews who circumcise, guess what? It still discriminates against Jews. You can't use mental gymnastics to get out of that.

"Jews are affected by legislation that stops the population of the state as a whole from doing X" is not antisemitism.

Preventing Jews from bringing their children into the Mosaic Covenant, the sacred bond that defines Jews as Jews, is not antisemitic or discriminatory against Jews?

Your complete blindness to the subject is really getting tiresome.

[Hakons]

"Jews are affected by legislation that keeps the from going to Synagogue" is not antisemitism.

Edited to clarify.

Sorry, all the population is banned from going to Synagogue, and not just Jews.

[Genivaria]

Are you suggesting that their family and community would exile the child because he couldn't be circumcised?

No, but it's a rite of passage. They wouldn't have really made it into the tribe of Israel and into the Mosaic covenant.

There are members of the Abrahamic faiths who still practice animal sacrifice rituals to this day, I'd also support banning them for humanitarian reasons.
Behold my prejudicial power!

[Hakons]

Disputes between Christians and Mormons were limited to the United States, and it has next to nothing to do with discussing Judaism. We do not believe circumcision is significantly harmful enough to be banned, and virtually every Western nation has agreed with this.

Who is 'we' here exactly?

People who respect religious freedom and/or oppose this law.

[Genivaria]

Edited to clarify.

Sorry, all the population is banned from going to Synagogue, and not just Jews.

Your comparisons are becoming more absurd every page.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Is cannabis a part of Judaism?

It's a part of Rastafari.
Does that mean that banning marijuana is a violation of religious freedom?

Dang, you're right.

[Genivaria]

Who is 'we' here exactly?

People who respect religious freedom and/or oppose this law.

I support religious freedom and support the law so your point is odd.

[Salus Maior]

Preventing children from being brought into their own cultural community isn't discriminatory against that cultural community?

No, because it literally doesn't discriminate between jews and non jews. What you want is a discriminatory law.

So you don't believe a law can discriminate against a certain group if the intention is not to discriminate against a certain group? Even if in effect it does?

Well, there's a loophole for people who want to be discriminate and cruel to other groups, for ya.

[Camicon]

"Jews are affected by legislation that stops the population of the state as a whole from doing X" is not antisemitism.

Preventing Jews from bringing their children into the Mosaic Covenant, the sacred bond that defines Jews as Jews, is not antisemitic or discriminatory against Jews?

Your complete blindness to the subject is really getting tiresome.

Maybe they shouldn't have predicted their religion on the mutilation of infants genitals. Just a thought.

Edited to clarify.

Sorry, all the population is banned from going to Synagogue, and not just Jews.

Except that specifying "synagogue" very clearly targets Jews. Circumcision is not a solely Jewish tradition or practice.

Also, going to a synagogue isn't a violation of someone else's basic human rights.

[Hakons]

Sorry, all the population is banned from going to Synagogue, and not just Jews.

Your comparisons are becoming more absurd every page.

How is it absurd? A law banning all the population from practicing circumcision is still banning Jews from practicing circumcision.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, but it's a rite of passage. They wouldn't have really made it into the tribe of Israel and into the Mosaic covenant.

There are members of the Abrahamic faiths who still practice animal sacrifice rituals to this day, I'd also support banning them for humanitarian reasons.
Behold my prejudicial power!

Which ones?

[Salus Maior]

No, but it's a rite of passage. They wouldn't have really made it into the tribe of Israel and into the Mosaic covenant.

There are members of the Abrahamic faiths who still practice animal sacrifice rituals to this day, I'd also support banning them for humanitarian reasons.
Behold my prejudicial power!

Muslims still do animal sacrifices on certain holidays I believe, after which they eat it iirc.

Would you ban that? And how would you without being discriminatory?