Is repairing the third-world feasible?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

For years, I was so taken in by "every dollar of foreign aid is wasted by the fact that it enables the high birth rates that get the third world in trouble in the first place" narrative that I was content to cut off foreign aid, but let in the third worlders who make it to the first world, as those were the ones who had the, in my view at the time, "sense" to leave. But the signs that diversity fuels conflict between different races and cultures have been more overwhelming in recent years, and I began to wonder if there might be a better way. And that's when I came across this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDuPccLON4#t=1m33s

I know it's Nick Griffin, but a stopped clock... might be right twice a day. And I decided to include the question he was asked for context, but the most relevant part is at 2 minutes and 22 seconds in:

"The best way, for them, is to get the banks off the backs of their countries so they can live in peace in their countries and they can live in peace in ours."

So, what do you think? Is he actually on to something here? Is he partly-right? Or just completely off base? (To me, this sounds plausible, as I wouldn't put it past banks that screw over first-worlders to screw over third-worlders even worse.)

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes and no
I know In Africa agriculture is quite difficult in many regions. But things like hydroponics and engineering more aqueduct systems
It’s doable, but it requires doing

[Kavagrad]

The way I see it, the problem is not that developed nations seek to help, but rather that we wish to interfere and help "on our own terms". If we are truly to help these states, we should not attach forced privatisations or other neoliberal policies on these developing states, nor should we try and undermine states that refuse our aid. This would reduce the exploitation of their resources by foreign corporations and allow them to have self-sufficient, diverse, non-export-based economies.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The way I see it, the problem is not that developed nations seek to help, but rather that we wish to interfere and help "on our own terms". If we are truly to help these states, we should not attach forced privatisations or other neoliberal policies on these developing states, nor should we try and undermine states that refuse our aid.

This as well
This is why we need more international development agencies

[Telconi]

The way I see it, the problem is not that developed nations seek to help, but rather that we wish to interfere and help "on our own terms". If we are truly to help these states, we should not attach forced privatisations or other neoliberal policies on these developing states, nor should we try and undermine states that refuse our aid.

This as well
This is why we need more international development agencies

I think "Helping on our own terms" has its place.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Stop wasting money and resources.

[Trumptonium]

no, stop foreign aid

[Neu Leonstein]

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Stop wasting money and resources.

http://stash.globalgoals.org/goalkeepers/datareport/

[Mr Conservative]

Foreign aid is certainly a problem. Especially when the US floods a hungry country with food. That's great in the current year, but does little to solve the long-term problem of unstable food supply. It actually makes it at least somewhat worse. Good business for US farmers, though.

But the biggest problem will always be emigration. What's the point in staying once you have the economic means or even just a one time opportunity to get to the West? Because for a young person, why work hard (or even fight) to make your home a better place if realistically by late in your life there's no chance it would be able to provide you with a life comparable to what is the minimum in Europe and North America? Building a strong middle or working class in a lot of struggling nations would be like trying to life 50 pounds of sand with just your hands. It's all going to slide between your fingers.

[Trumptonium]

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Stop wasting money and resources.

http://stash.globalgoals.org/goalkeepers/datareport/

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Yes and no
I know In Africa agriculture is quite difficult in many regions. But things like hydroponics and engineering more aqueduct systems
It’s doable, but it requires doing

Foreign aid as it exists today should be cut. If we’re going to provide aid to developing countries it should be geared towards human capital and technical skills.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Foreign aid means states rely less on their publics for funding. This decreases the amount of reliance that the government has on the people to support them. Foreign aid has propped up and enabled many a repressive government and allowed dominant ethnic groups in failed states to enrich and arm themselves.

Investment should be done at the micro level with local populations themselves to help them help themselves out of poverty. It should be focused on building capacity, not food handouts. It should only be done by philanthropists, not by other states. It is a breach of the social contract for states to export tax takes that should be spent at home caring for their own people and infrastructure.

[Kramanica]

No. It's a useless venture. Cut off all foreign aid.

[Vistulange]

http://stash.globalgoals.org/goalkeepers/datareport/

And...that graph shows improvement in conditions, namely, decreasing absolute and extreme poverty levels.

[Cetacea]

Absolutely, a report in 2017 showed that in 2015 Africa gave the west 40bn more than it received. Africa received $162bn, mainly in loans, aid and personal remittances but $203bn was taken from the continent, either directly through multinationals repatriating profits and illegally moving money into tax havens, or by costs imposed by the rest of the world through climate change adaptation and mitigation.

When you have that kind of thing happening then yes development aid is a lost cause when it is being haemorrhaged out to foreign owned multinationals and western tax havens (of which London and New York a leading players)

There are some serious structural changes that are needed to enable African countries to benefit from its own wealth rather than being a cash cow for foreign investors. That does mean massive investment in upskilling the population and efforts to reduce corruption. Thats one area where China is a better partner than the West, China invests in Infrastructure that provides a base for internal wealth creation, African governments just need to ensure that the huge debts incurred don't keep their people excluded

[Navulva]

Every time the third world tries to repair itself with nationalization or Socialism some kind of coup or rebellion happens. I wonder why.

[Kramanica]

Every time the third world tries to repair itself with nationalization or Socialism some kind of coup or rebellion happens. I wonder why.

Because the attempts fail and the people end up living under a dictatorship which kind of sucks?

[Navulva]

Every time the third world tries to repair itself with nationalization or Socialism some kind of coup or rebellion happens. I wonder why.

Because the attempts fail and the people end up living under a dictatorship which kind of sucks?

I wonder what is causing the coups and rebellions creating dictatorships and "democracies".

[Cetacea]

Every time the third world tries to repair itself with nationalization or Socialism some kind of coup or rebellion happens. I wonder why.

Because the attempts fail and the people end up living under a dictatorship which kind of sucks?

at least thats what the US tells us before they stage an 'intervention'

[Kramanica]

Because the attempts fail and the people end up living under a dictatorship which kind of sucks?

I wonder what is causing the coups and rebellions creating dictatorships.

The reasons vary from country to country.

But judging by the fact that you're a socialist I'm guessing you chalk it up to one or two things: corporations and the West.

That about sum it up?

[Navulva]

I wonder what is causing the coups and rebellions creating dictatorships.

The reasons vary from country to country.

But judging by the fact that you're a socialist I'm guessing you chalk it up to one or two things: corporations and the West.

That about sum it up?

Imperialism.

[Kramanica]

Because the attempts fail and the people end up living under a dictatorship which kind of sucks?

at least thats what the US tells us before they stage an 'intervention'

When was the last time we intervened in the third world?

[Kramanica]

The reasons vary from country to country.

But judging by the fact that you're a socialist I'm guessing you chalk it up to one or two things: corporations and the West.

That about sum it up?

Imperialism.

Dammit, how'd I miss that one?

[Navulva]

at least thats what the US tells us before they stage an 'intervention'

When was the last time we intervened in the third world?

Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Currently? The DPRK and Syria.

[Kramanica]

When was the last time we intervened in the third world?

Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Currently? The DPRK and Syria.

1. Libya was already in the midst of a rebellion when we intervened
2. We aren't intervenining in North Korea lol we don't have any troops there and we aren't attacking them