17 dead in Parkland Florida high school shooting

[Sovaal]

Gun ban, gun regulation, all would do largely nothing. And I never said that. What is it with people and putting fucking words in my mouth?

Except that they do, and we know that because they’ve worked worldwide. Don’t pretend that there isn’t an answer in front of you.

Every time you pretend that nothing can be done on gun control your just proving the point. You just said Americans would rather start a civil war than control guns.

Except it ducking isn’t. To even begin to start with getting ‘rid’ of them would require practically the entire country being paved in a state of martial law, with mass searches through entire cities and towns, combing grouch peoples homes, which is not only trampling on multiple rights enshrined in our Constitution and its amendments, but people are going to be killed, and people are going to be pissed off and start ducking fighting back. Read my damn posts next time.

[Grinning Dragon]

It's a valid argument to make, as we can look to the days of prohibition, whereas alcohol was being brewed in back rooms, speakeasy's, abandoned factories, etc. The human will to have something that some authority figure has deemed verboten, just seems to drive the "fuck you and your laws"

It’s not though. Because the point you failed to address is that it doesn’t happen when guns are banned.

Common illicitly homemade submachine guns in Brazil
I'm not saying that guns are completely banned in Brazil, just using this as an example of the "fuck you and your laws" and the sophistication of these homebrewed arms shows that signal cannot be stopped.

[Vassenor]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

There's really too much criticism to doing something these days to try anything.

Or too many congresspeople are brought and paid for by gun manufacturers.

[Fartsniffage]

Nah. Most people who do that in gun restrictive countries do things like using vehicles. Not everyone has access to the local crime ring.

Then how come mass shootings aren’t common in country’s with gun reform. Your acting like the evidence isn’t right in front of you.

The attack in Paris in 2015. France's gun laws are pretty tough, are they not?

They are tougher than America, weaker than other countries. But you have one example. How many mass shooting have there been in the US just this year?

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's really too much criticism to doing something these days to try anything.

Or too many congresspeople are brought and paid for by gun manufacturers.

More like there's millions of single issue voters that'll vote your ass out in a heartbeat.

[Ohioan Territory]

The attack in Paris in 2015. France's gun laws are pretty tough, are they not?

Terrorism isn’t the same.

How isn't it the same? Civilians in France were able to acquire guns to commit mass murder, despite tough gun laws. Why couldn't a civilian in the U.S. do the same?

[Irona]

It’s not though. Because the point you failed to address is that it doesn’t happen when guns are banned.

Common illicitly homemade submachine guns in Brazil
I'm not saying that guns are completely banned in Brazil, just using this as an example of the "fuck you and your laws" and the sophistication of these homebrewed arms shows that signal cannot be stopped.

You’ve demonstrated pretty clearly that these guns can be made. Your not actually arguing with me though. The point was about how mass shooters don’t use them in nations where guns are restricted, and how that makes it a moot point for opposing gun control

[Pope Joan]

My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Here's to better legislation now, to more security at schools. I doubt anyone can disagree with that, we've seen too much of this already.

More guns in schools are needed, not fewer.

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Protect our kids

[Vassenor]

Terrorism isn’t the same.

How isn't it the same? Civilians in France were able to acquire guns to commit mass murder, despite tough gun laws. Why couldn't a civilian in the U.S. do the same?

So how many private citizens have access to a terrorist network able to smuggle guns into the country?

[Great Minarchistan]

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According to this source, there have been 31 mass shootings in the whole US since 2000 to November 2017. It's just below two every year on average, and that's for a contry of three hundred twenty five million people. Firstly, it doesn't "always" happen and secondly, we are talking about a massive nation, hence you'll obviously get this sort of thing at high rates compared to countries in Europe for instance.

[Ohioan Territory]

The attack in Paris in 2015. France's gun laws are pretty tough, are they not?

They are tougher than America, weaker than other countries. But you have one example. How many mass shooting have there been in the US just this year?

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Here's a list of them. What's your point?

[Irona]

Terrorism isn’t the same.

How isn't it the same? Civilians in France were able to acquire guns to commit mass murder, despite tough gun laws. Why couldn't a civilian in the U.S. do the same?

Because terrorism is organised, and phycologically very different to mass shootings. Terrorists aren’t generally mad. Gun control stops mad people from committing mass murder, and dramatically reduces the amount of gun crime.

[Sovaal]

How isn't it the same? Civilians in France were able to acquire guns to commit mass murder, despite tough gun laws. Why couldn't a civilian in the U.S. do the same?

So how many private citizens have access to a terrorist network able to smuggle guns into the country?

Don’t need one. Cat’s already out of the bag, good luck closing the flood gates.

[Ohioan Territory]

How isn't it the same? Civilians in France were able to acquire guns to commit mass murder, despite tough gun laws. Why couldn't a civilian in the U.S. do the same?

So how many private citizens have access to a terrorist network able to smuggle guns into the country?

I don't think it's very hard to get in contact with terrorist organizations, considering a good amount of Western world civilians have left their nations to train in the Middle East in the name of jihad. Especially if you tell those organizations you want to kill a bunch of people.

[Great Minarchistan]

They are tougher than America, weaker than other countries. But you have one example. How many mass shooting have there been in the US just this year?

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Here's a list of them. What's your point?

"Less than a hundred dead people justify the restrain of a constitutional amendment that guarantees freedom of self-defense to 80 million Americans!"

[Fartsniffage]

They are tougher than America, weaker than other countries. But you have one example. How many mass shooting have there been in the US just this year?

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

Here's a list of them. What's your point?

France seems to be doing something better than the US in this area. Perhaps the US should figure out what that is.

[Telconi]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

Better than the U.K. or Australia...

[Irona]

So how many private citizens have access to a terrorist network able to smuggle guns into the country?

I don't think it's very hard to get in contact with terrorist organizations, considering a good amount of Western world civilians have left their nations to train in the Middle East in the name of jihad. Especially if you tell those organizations you want to kill a bunch of people.

Where has that happened. Don’t give hypotheticals that don’t happen in real life.

[Ohioan Territory]

I don't think it's very hard to get in contact with terrorist organizations, considering a good amount of Western world civilians have left their nations to train in the Middle East in the name of jihad. Especially if you tell those organizations you want to kill a bunch of people.

Where has that happened. Don’t give hypotheticals that don’t happen in real life.

People haven't left the Western world to serve the interests of Islamist groups?

[Irona]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

Better than the U.K. or Australia...

Maybe if you prefer dead children to losing your guns

[Great Minarchistan]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

Not that anything should be done since mass shootings are extremely overrated by the media and population overall.

[Irona]

Where has that happened. Don’t give hypotheticals that don’t happen in real life.

People haven't left the Western world to serve the interests of Islamist groups?

Random nutters aren’t tricking terrorist organisations so they can get guns to commit mass shootings.

[Irona]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

Not that anything should be done since mass shootings are extremely overrated by the media and population overall.

At least your open about not caring

[Ohioan Territory]

People haven't left the Western world to serve the interests of Islamist groups?

Random nutters aren’t tricking terrorist organisations so they can get guns to commit mass shootings.

We're starting to get off topic, so I'm going to end this conversation here. I won't even retort for the sake of staying on topic.

[Fartsniffage]

Honestly the U.S. approach to solving mass shootings seems very much to be "We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas".

Not that anything should be done since mass shootings are extremely overrated by the media and population overall.

You're right. But murder rates in general are also stupidly high. Do you support government funded mental health care?