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17 dead in Parkland Florida high school shooting

Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:03 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/numerous-fatalities-after-shooting-at-florida-high-school/ar-BBJ8HLr?li=BBnb7Kz

All that i heard from the news was that at least 2 people were dead at the high school and numerous injured with the suspected shooter in custody who police say was a former student.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:05 pm

My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Here's to better legislation now, to more security at schools. I doubt anyone can disagree with that, we've seen too much of this already.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:06 pm

Western-Ukraine wrote:My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Here's to better legislation now, to more security at schools. I doubt anyone can disagree with that, we've seen too much of this already.


There were already police on-site. It didn't help.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Here's to better legislation now, to more security at schools. I doubt anyone can disagree with that, we've seen too much of this already.


There were already police on-site. It didn't help.


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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:My prayers go out to the families of the victims. Here's to better legislation now, to more security at schools. I doubt anyone can disagree with that, we've seen too much of this already.


There were already police on-site. It didn't help.

Which implies what? I said more security, additions and improvements. If the police failed, there's a great starting point.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:10 pm

"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.

Indeed. So what do you think should be done? I can get behind safes being mandatory for owners and classes as well, so long as they’re provided by the state, along with a revamp of the mental health institutions I. This country, as well with campaigns to help remove the stigma that seeking help for mental and emotional issues have in this country.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:14 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:

Almost as if though the cat’s out of the bag even if we wanted to ban all guns.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.


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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.


Oh noes... Nothing will happen... :roll:
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.


Oh noes... Nothing will happen... :roll:

And I guess you should feel bad for being a legal gun owner as well.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Shooter is identified as Nicholas Cruz a former student of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, about 45 miles (72 km) north of Miami, Florida
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.


Oh noes... Nothing will happen... :roll:


Wait, so repeated mass murder incidents is a good thing now?
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Valentines Day Massacre 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh noes... Nothing will happen... :roll:


Wait, so repeated mass murder incidents is a good thing now?


Straw men aren't...
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:23 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:"Turn on your television right now, you’re going to see scenes of children running for their lives. It’s what looks to be the [18th] school shooting in this country, and we have not even hit March. Let me just note once again for my colleagues: this happens nowhere else other than the United States of America. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else. As a parent, it scares me to death that this body doesn’t take seriously the safety of my children, and it seems like a lot of parents in South Florida are going to be asking that same question later today.”

And yet, as we all know, nothing will happen. Same arguments, same lack of any action. Even The Onion trots out the exact same point these days.

Indeed. So what do you think should be done? I can get behind safes being mandatory for owners and classes as well, so long as they’re provided by the state, along with a revamp of the mental health institutions I. This country, as well with campaigns to help remove the stigma that seeking help for mental and emotional issues have in this country.


Quite honestly I feel this thread should be locked and linked to a previous locked thread covering pretty much the exact same thing with the exact same debate.

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Yeah the media could cover this more responsibility.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Indeed. So what do you think should be done? I can get behind safes being mandatory for owners and classes as well, so long as they’re provided by the state, along with a revamp of the mental health institutions I. This country, as well with campaigns to help remove the stigma that seeking help for mental and emotional issues have in this country.


Quite honestly I feel this thread should be locked and linked to a previous locked thread covering pretty much the exact same thing with the exact same debate.

Welp.
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Bombadil wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Indeed. So what do you think should be done? I can get behind safes being mandatory for owners and classes as well, so long as they’re provided by the state, along with a revamp of the mental health institutions I. This country, as well with campaigns to help remove the stigma that seeking help for mental and emotional issues have in this country.


Quite honestly I feel this thread should be locked and linked to a previous locked thread covering pretty much the exact same thing with the exact same debate.

Salus Maior wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwAo8lcAC4&index=139&list=FLF9pQNdiPjlpHtIK6Zd3u6w


Yeah the media could cover this more responsibility.

:rofl:

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:25 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Valentines Day Massacre 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I didn't realize this one was a mob hit on guys who deserved it.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:26 pm

From the local CBS affiliate

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/14/fl ... ve-stream/

Unconfirmed reports of up to 7 dead as stated by a local news station
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Valentines Day Massacre 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I didn't realize this one was a mob hit on guys who deserved it.


We don't know yet. It might be.

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Fartsniffage wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I didn't realize this one was a mob hit on guys who deserved it.


We don't know yet. It might be.

Eh, reports say perp was a former student.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
We don't know yet. It might be.

Eh, reports say perp was a former student.


Mafia types never go to school?

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:32 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Eh, reports say perp was a former student.


Mafia types never go to school?

They don’t tend to shoot lip schools. Tend to save the bullets for the cops and each other.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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