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Postby VoVoDoCo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:47 pm

The Republic of Christiandom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated

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^assumes rent control isn't already in place in San Francisco
^assumes it works wonders
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:50 pm

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I don't know, what I have seen of it looks really nice.

It's beaches would be nice right about now when yesterday was -20.

Cali is only worth it in video game form.

For when you want to be a swood guy.


Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Plz stop moving to other states and ruining them Californians.


Why are you confusing the people who elected Weiner as their representative, with the rest of us?


San Lumen wrote:
Saiwania wrote:There are some problems with having rent control as policy. In locations where rent control has been implemented, owners of rent controlled properties tend to not spend money maintaining it, because the cost of upgrades might exceed the amount that can be legally gotten from rent. It often contracts the supply of housing instead of expanding it.

The reason there is a housing shortage is building luxary housing for rich people. If you stopped building it there would not be a shortage. This isn't rocket science.


You do know that in some places of California, the land value is greater than the building costs, right? If I own land, (well I do, but imagine it's a hypo,) why would I sell my land for less than the market value, or build housing there, if I knew it was going to be rent controlled? The only way that rent control can work, is if the Government subsidizes it, hey - what's the debt?


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Valrifell wrote:
California isn't shit, though.


Everything about California is shit. Other blue states have redeemable features but California is pretty much hell.

It's even on fire all the time, you know I'm right.


Nothing quite like a Washingtonian bashing Cali :P
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:52 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Cali is only worth it in video game form.

For when you want to be a swood guy.


Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.

I'd rather go to Hawaii.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Cali is only worth it in video game form.

For when you want to be a swood guy.


Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.


There's a lot more to Cali than theme parks, but that's usually the first place everyone goes. We also have this: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions ... ornia.html

And this: http://www.visitcalifornia.com/feature/ ... california

And in Cali, you can also surf and ski in a single day. Or watch any professional sports team you want. We have everything, except sanity in the State Government :P
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:53 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:And?


Careful comrade, this is the scheduled Two Minutes' Hate for California. Please turn your hymnal to page five and recite the 'blue state hell california shit immigration crime crime crime' litany three times. Thank you for your cooperation, and pay no attention to the similar patterns of real estate and population movement to the exurbs happening in every major city in the Western world.

Pointless comment is pointless.

Risottia's point probably hits it on the head. San Fran is probably too expensive for most people. Not to mention Hepatitis A has basically spread all over the state and has made people fearful. But sure, answer irrationality with irrationality. That always solves the problem.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:
Careful comrade, this is the scheduled Two Minutes' Hate for California. Please turn your hymnal to page five and recite the 'blue state hell california shit immigration crime crime crime' litany three times. Thank you for your cooperation, and pay no attention to the similar patterns of real estate and population movement to the exurbs happening in every major city in the Western world.

Pointless comment is pointless.

Risottia's point probably hits it on the head. San Fran is probably too expensive for most people. Not to mention Hepatitis A has basically spread all over the state and has made people fearful. But sure, answer irrationality with irrationality. That always solves the problem.


Hepatitis doesn't spread that quickly, and most of us are sane enough to get tested, or at least use condoms before getting in on. Not sure what they do in Sacramento (the Sac) though.

On the fun side, I remember when NorCal was trying to secede from SoCal.

NorCal: Fuck you SoCal, we're leaving!
SoCal: Fine, take the Sac with you!
NorCal: Fuck! Erm, can we get along?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:57 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.

I'd rather go to Hawaii.

Hawaii is also nice.

Shofercia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.


There's a lot more to Cali than theme parks, but that's usually the first place everyone goes. We also have this: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions ... ornia.html

And this: http://www.visitcalifornia.com/feature/ ... california

And in Cali, you can also surf and ski in a single day. Or watch any professional sports team you want. We have everything, except sanity in the State Government :P



Nice.

I think it's like BC then yeah? Only warmer?
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Postby Washingtonian Republic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:57 pm

The Republic of Christiandom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated

ReNt COnTroL

Slash spending, reduce the minimum wage... just suggestions
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:58 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Pointless comment is pointless.

Risottia's point probably hits it on the head. San Fran is probably too expensive for most people. Not to mention Hepatitis A has basically spread all over the state and has made people fearful. But sure, answer irrationality with irrationality. That always solves the problem.


Hepatitis doesn't spread that quickly, and most of us are sane enough to get tested, or at least use condoms before getting in on. Not sure what they do in Sacramento (the Sac) though.

On the fun side, I remember when NorCal was trying to secede from SoCal.

NorCal: Fuck you SoCal, we're leaving!
SoCal: Fine, take the Sac with you!
NorCal: Fuck! Erm, can we get along?

I'm just reporting what I saw on the headlines, but sure.

That sounds like Texas every 20 seconds. XD
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:02 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
There's a lot more to Cali than theme parks, but that's usually the first place everyone goes. We also have this: https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions ... ornia.html

And this: http://www.visitcalifornia.com/feature/ ... california

And in Cali, you can also surf and ski in a single day. Or watch any professional sports team you want. We have everything, except sanity in the State Government :P



Nice.

I think it's like BC then yeah? Only warmer?


Yep :D


Luminesa wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Hepatitis doesn't spread that quickly, and most of us are sane enough to get tested, or at least use condoms before getting in on. Not sure what they do in Sacramento (the Sac) though.

On the fun side, I remember when NorCal was trying to secede from SoCal.

NorCal: Fuck you SoCal, we're leaving!
SoCal: Fine, take the Sac with you!
NorCal: Fuck! Erm, can we get along?

I'm just reporting what I saw on the headlines, but sure.

That sounds like Texas every 20 seconds. XD


LOL!

I think that the only legit independence movements in the US, (the ones that have popular support) are those spearheaded by the Native Americans.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:02 pm

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Valrifell wrote:
California isn't shit, though.


Everything about California is shit. Other blue states have redeemable features but California is pretty much hell.

It's even on fire all the time, you know I'm right.


So edgy I cut myself.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:03 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Everything about California is shit. Other blue states have redeemable features but California is pretty much hell.

It's even on fire all the time, you know I'm right.


So edgy I cut myself.

That's not really edgy at all...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok, why the hate for California again?

Ever since the election California has been getting hate on.

Kinda unfair really.




Anyway, housing market is too expensive and San Fran is losing people.

With all the selling, prices will fall and people will move back.

Hating California is a past time with some people. Some just don’t like sunshine and beaches or something and some are so ideologically bent that if they accept a functional California it destroys their world view. So there’s some cat right now hitting “quote” so he can do those error arrows on “functional California”. It’s cool we’ll just be over here being awesome and the rest will catch up to us eventually.


Exactly. Jealousy does motivate it.

Part of the problem is there is major housing shortage in the bay area. Apple and google are building large campuses and the housing market has responded.....
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:05 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So edgy I cut myself.

That's not really edgy at all...


*shrugs* Some people think they are when they are not.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated.


Ehhh, rent control is a very mixed bag. I would rather have less strict zoning laws to encourage cheaper, more affordable housing. And if San Fran is too expensive, then there's always Oakland. *Shrugs*.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Everything about California is shit. Other blue states have redeemable features but California is pretty much hell.

It's even on fire all the time, you know I'm right.


So edgy I cut myself.


There's really nothing edgy about that.

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Look deep into your soul and you'll see the truth. California is hell and Feinstein is the devil!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:07 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Heh.

But srsly, I wouldn't mind visiting Cali.

It has some good theme parks and it sounds like it has lovely weather.

I'd rather go to Hawaii.


Ask if you do go. Can tell you to avoid a few places.....
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So edgy I cut myself.


There's really nothing edgy about that.

Shofercia wrote:Nothing quite like a Washingtonian bashing Cali :P


Look deep into your soul and you'll see the truth. California is hell and Feinstein is the devil!


I thought Harris was the devil.
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Postby Truemerica » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:10 pm

The Republic of Christiandom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated

ReNt COnTroL

Slash spending, lower the minimum wage... just suggestions
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:13 pm

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The Republic of Christiandom wrote:ReNt COnTroL

Slash spending, lower the minimum wage... just suggestions

Tell that to the OK state.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:16 pm

Saiwania wrote:There are some problems with having rent control as policy. In locations where rent control has been implemented, owners of rent controlled properties tend to not spend money maintaining it, because the cost of upgrades might exceed the amount that can be legally gotten from rent. It often contracts the supply of housing instead of expanding it.

Then create more public housing, in more neighbourhoods, and require public housing to make their revenue and expenditures public so we can see just how much it costs to maintain housing in these neighbourhoods and, in turn, whether or not the private sector is bullshitting us.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
California isn't shit, though.


Everything about California is shit. Other blue states have redeemable features but California is pretty much hell.

It's even on fire all the time, you know I'm right.


California has an array of issues, but some parts are quite nice. Far from ideal, but I'd take Cali livin' over say, Mississippi sufferin'.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ok, why the hate for California again?

Ever since the election California has been getting hate on.

Kinda unfair really.




Anyway, housing market is too expensive and San Fran is losing people.

With all the selling, prices will fall and people will move back.

Hating California is a past time with some people. Some just don’t like sunshine and beaches or something and some are so ideologically bent that if they accept a functional California it destroys their world view. So there’s some cat right now hitting “quote” so he can do those error arrows on “functional California”. It’s cool we’ll just be over here being awesome and the rest will catch up to us eventually.

Another pointless comment is pointless. "Durr hurr you hate us cause you ain't us". I could say the same about Louisiana and you could call us a bunch of backwards, mudbug-eating, alligator-riding hicks. Still doesn't add to the conversation. But sure, make your daily smug comment because it makes you feel good or whatever. You have your state, others have theirs, and nobody is obligated to like your state either.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's really nothing edgy about that.



Look deep into your soul and you'll see the truth. California is hell and Feinstein is the devil!


I thought Harris was the devil.

Why not both?
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So apparently I am an ENFP!

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"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson

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