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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:27 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:it will never get built as the government isn't interested.

It would never get built because it isn’t practical.

Hyperloop no but high speed like in Japan certainly is. We could build that but instead we waste money on ships planes and other military equipment we don't need and countless other things we waste money on.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:27 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
High speed rail from Wyoming to Montana.

It will work trust me.

What about from Kansas to Colorado?

Useless as well. Only areas that it can work imho are Boswash, Texas, and California.
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Postby Finswedeway » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:27 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:it will never get built as the government isn't interested.

It would never get built because it isn’t practical.

Usually one of the above is the answer to any question regarding general improvements
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:It would never get built because it isn’t practical.

Hyperloop no but high speed like in Japan certainly is. We could build that but instead we waste money on ships planes and other military equipment we don't need and countless other things we waste money on.

I’m not talking a bout the technology I’m talking economics. Simply not enough people there.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Finswedeway » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hyperloop no but high speed like in Japan certainly is. We could build that but instead we waste money on ships planes and other military equipment we don't need and countless other things we waste money on.

I’m not talking a bout the technology I’m talking economics. Simply not enough people there.

But all other countries are exactly like our country in every conceivable aspect!
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:29 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:High speed rail is taking hold though. Several private companies have either proposed routes, are building them, or have built them.

If we use Japanese style high speed trains they will make what was a 3 hour car trip into 90 minutes

Maybe in more populous states it could work. But outside of that not so much. The US is much more massive than Japan.

Nobody is advocating for the entire US to be covered in high speed rail lines.

The east coast, West Coast, Florida, Texas, and the midwest are the best places for high speed rail service and private companies are already taking advantage of it
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:29 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hyperloop no but high speed like in Japan certainly is. We could build that but instead we waste money on ships planes and other military equipment we don't need and countless other things we waste money on.

I’m not talking a bout the technology I’m talking economics. Simply not enough people there.

we could be building high speed rail if we didn't waste money on ships and planes we don't need and other things.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:30 pm

Corrian wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Draught is off for now.

No it isn't, and it may be coming back


Oh well. It was off for a little bit. Such is live in Cali....
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Maybe in more populous states it could work. But outside of that not so much. The US is much more massive than Japan.

Nobody is advocating for the entire US to be covered in high speed rail lines.

The east coast, West Coast, Florida, Texas, and the midwest are the best places for high speed rail service and private companies are already taking advantage of it

And it will not be built anytime soon. The Acela is the closest thing we have to Japanese bullet trains and it doesn't even compare
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m not talking a bout the technology I’m talking economics. Simply not enough people there.

we could be building high speed rail if we didn't waste money on ships and planes we don't need and other things.

And I see you didn’t bother to read my response there simply isn’t enough people in the majority of the US that would use the train to make it practical, at least today.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Darussalam » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated.

>rent control

lol

Loosening housing regulations and ending the superstitious fear of high density will make housing in San Francisco considerably more affordable. Preferably zoning laws throughout the US should be overhauled into something similar to Japan. Rich urban "liberals" just have this ridiculous self-destructive NIMBY attitude against affordable housing.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

Sovaal wrote:
San Lumen wrote:we could be building high speed rail if we didn't waste money on ships and planes we don't need and other things.

And I see you didn’t bother to read my response there simply isn’t enough people in the majority of the US that would use the train to make it practical, at least today.

On the west and east coast there is.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:31 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:High speed rail is taking hold though. Several private companies have either proposed routes, are building them, or have built them.

If we use Japanese style high speed trains they will make what was a 3 hour car trip into 90 minutes

Although those planned routes are small scaled tho. Like just a Couple of states if that.

Um? No. Atlanta to Charlotte isn’t small scaled. Also who the fuck cares? You don’t need a high speed rail line hitting every single city and state in the nation. Just a few big cities and states will do. The slow speed trains and airplanes can take care of the rest
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I’m not talking a bout the technology I’m talking economics. Simply not enough people there.

we could be building high speed rail if we didn't waste money on ships and planes we don't need and other things.

Why did you just repeat the same thing after they explained themselves?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Kramanica wrote:What about from Kansas to Colorado?

Useless as well. Only areas that it can work imho are Boswash, Texas, and California.

And Florida, the midwest, and Georgia-North Carolina
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Postby Corrian » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:33 pm

I feel like a train between Portland and Seattle (Or one of the southern cities near Seattle) wouldn't be bad.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nobody is advocating for the entire US to be covered in high speed rail lines.

The east coast, West Coast, Florida, Texas, and the midwest are the best places for high speed rail service and private companies are already taking advantage of it

And it will not be built anytime soon. The Acela is the closest thing we have to Japanese bullet trains and it doesn't even compare

The Texas Central Railway would like to have a word with you. As would the 100s of other private high speed rail companies
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:34 pm

Darussalam wrote:
San Lumen wrote:This problem could be solved so simply. Rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and stop building luxary housing for rich people. There problem solved but politicians have to make it so complicated.

>rent control

lol

Loosening housing regulations and ending the superstitious fear of high density will make housing in San Francisco considerably more affordable. Preferably zoning laws throughout the US should be overhauled into something similar to Japan. Rich urban "liberals" just have this ridiculous self-destructive NIMBY attitude against affordable housing.

Well they don't want to ruin the vistas of San Francisco. If you had rent control or rent stabilization for everyone and put limits on what you can charge for rent there wouldn't be an issue. if all you build is luxury towers for wealthy corporate executives of course there will be a housing shortage. Stop building it and half the problem would disappear and if the rest of my solution sounds anti capitalist i really don't care.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Useless as well. Only areas that it can work imho are Boswash, Texas, and California.

And Florida, the midwest, and Georgia-North Carolina

Maybe around the Lakes but the rest of the Midwest is to sparsely inhabited with population centers to far apart imho, and any trains but are going to be private companies, at least in the near future, cutting into their profits.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And it will not be built anytime soon. The Acela is the closest thing we have to Japanese bullet trains and it doesn't even compare

The Texas Central Railway would like to have a word with you. As would the 100s of other private high speed rail companies

And yet its only a proposal and no construction has started

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:35 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And Florida, the midwest, and Georgia-North Carolina

Maybe around the Lakes but the rest of the Midwest is to sparsely inhabited with population centers to far apart imho, and any trains but are going to be private companies, at least in the near future, cutting into their profits.

Exactly right around the Lakes area would be prime
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Maybe around the Lakes but the rest of the Midwest is to sparsely inhabited with population centers to far apart imho, and any trains but are going to be private companies, at least in the near future, cutting into their profits.

Exactly right around the Lakes area would be prime

But that would Ben about it, maybe a couple lines connecting it to the north east. Anything west of St. Louis is goin g to be too out of the way.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Finswedeway » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:37 pm

The fact is that American trains suck, and probably will continue to suck unless the next administration runs on a "Trains rock!" platform. There are far too many other issues that the government is worried about to consider rail investments, even if that would solve or help solve those problems.
To survive the coming age, we must adapt, resist populist influences, and root out greedy tyranny from the hallowed halls of government, and as God is my witness, we will survive.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:38 pm

Finswedeway wrote:The fact is that American trains suck, and probably will continue to suck unless the next administration runs on a "Trains rock!" platform. There are far too many other issues that the government is worried about to consider rail investments, even if that would solve or help solve those problems.

like building ships and planes we don't need and adding more highways.

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