Flat Earth Movement Growing

[The Ignus]

Pfft, you believe in the moon?

[San Lumen]

Pfft, you believe in the moon?

Its a hologram didn't you know?

[Big Jim P]

Pfft, you believe in the moon?

Its a hologram didn't you know?

I thought it was ice from the water left over from the great flood.

[Neutraligon]

Its a hologram didn't you know?

I thought it was ice from the water left over from the great flood.

No those are the craters on the moon...err a hologram.

[FreedLymonia]

then let the free market of ideas settle it. personally i am not into forcing people into trying to think different

Where did I say I would force people to do anything?

ok then. how else will you get them to change? it is either let them be or force them to change. there is no real middle ground on this. as for the other, shock horror, the people can research or just put the minute amount of logic to figure this out. here is a metaphor or analogy or whichever: suppose that there was a toaster that tended to explode while the other worked perfect. people would buy the good toaster. the toasters being ways to think. it stands to reason that if the market would be like that with toasters it would definitely be the same for this.

[Big Jim P]

I thought it was ice from the water left over from the great flood.

No those are the craters on the moon...err a hologram.

Ah. I stand corrected.

[Neutraligon]

Where did I say I would force people to do anything?

ok then. how else will you get them to change?

Try to do a better job of teaching science in school.

it is either let them be or force them to change. there is no real middle ground on this.

There is, it is called education.

[FreedLymonia]

ok then. how else will you get them to change?

Try to do a better job of teaching science in school.

it is either let them be or force them to change. there is no real middle ground on this.

There is, it is called education.

in their minds it is nonsense and peddling propaganda. remember these types wont trust an elementary teacher let alone anything like NASA.

[Neutraligon]

Try to do a better job of teaching science in school.


There is, it is called education.

in their minds it is nonsense and peddling propaganda. remember these types wont trust an elementary teacher let alone anything like NASA.

Like I said, do a better job of teaching science. The big thing about science, you don't need to depend on NASA.

[San Lumen]

in their minds it is nonsense and peddling propaganda. remember these types wont trust an elementary teacher let alone anything like NASA.

Like I said, do a better job of teaching science. The big thing about science, you don't need to depend on NASA.

I think the science classes i took were quite good.

[The Ignus]

Pfft, you believe in the moon?

Its a hologram didn't you know?

There is no moon. Only Satan.

[San Lumen]

Its a hologram didn't you know?

There is no moon. Only Satan.

Satan corrupts people into believing the Earth is round among other things.

[Big Jim P]

Its a hologram didn't you know?

There is no moon. Only Satan.

I am NOT the moon.

[Neutraligon]

Like I said, do a better job of teaching science. The big thing about science, you don't need to depend on NASA.

I think the science classes i took were quite good.

All too many of them teach by rote rather then teaching about what the scientific method is and how we came to the conclusions we have. They teach "the earth is an oblate spheroid" but not how we figured that out or ways of testing that conclusion.

[Big Jim P]

There is no moon. Only Satan.

Satan corrupts people into believing the Earth is round among other things.

Among other things.

[Neutraligon]

There is no moon. Only Satan.

I am NOT the moon.

But are you flat?

[The Ignus]

There is no moon. Only Satan.

I am NOT the moon.

There is no moon.

[Big Jim P]

I am NOT the moon.

But are you flat?

I consider myself to be a rather well-rounded individual.

[The Ignus]

But are you flat?

I consider myself to be a rather well-rounded individual.

Ayy haha.

[FreedLymonia]

in their minds it is nonsense and peddling propaganda. remember these types wont trust an elementary teacher let alone anything like NASA.

Like I said, do a better job of teaching science. The big thing about science, you don't need to depend on NASA.

obv just teaching the facts is not working with this bunch or they wouldn't exist. how will you change them now. if they dont trust you in any way how are you going to change them unless by force. let them think what they want.

[Neutraligon]

Like I said, do a better job of teaching science. The big thing about science, you don't need to depend on NASA.

obv just teaching the facts is not working with this bunch or they wouldn't exist. how will you change them now. if they dont trust you in any way how are you going to change them unless by force. let them think what they want.

Change them now, not sure that can happen; the best I can do is put forward the methods we use to determine the earth is not flat. What we can do is work on how science classes failed them. Like I said they are a symptom of a problem, namely that scientific literacy is not all that high and as such we need to figure out why that is the case.

[Big Jim P]

obv just teaching the facts is not working with this bunch or they wouldn't exist. how will you change them now. if they dont trust you in any way how are you going to change them unless by force. let them think what they want.

Change them now, not sure that can happen; the best I can do is put forward the methods we use to determine the earth is not flat. What we can do is work on how science classes failed them. Like I said they are a symptom of a problem, namely that scientific literacy is not all that high and as such we need to figure out why that is the case.

Science (knowledge in general) isn't "cool".

[Neutraligon]

Change them now, not sure that can happen; the best I can do is put forward the methods we use to determine the earth is not flat. What we can do is work on how science classes failed them. Like I said they are a symptom of a problem, namely that scientific literacy is not all that high and as such we need to figure out why that is the case.

Science (knowledge in general) isn't "cool".

No, it's hot.

[Tekania]

I've been involved with various online discussion engaging in flat-earth debunking for some time now.

This is still a small fringe movement. It is not growing at all. They get more press time and some of the larger players have started scraping money together to hold conventions.... but it is small. Their numbers are not increasing per capita to the growth of the population. The organization acts primarily to peddle young-earth-creationism, and it's materials are primarily targeted towards people who have a distrust of intellectualism, authority figures/government, the typically pulls from other conspiracy groups, truthers, birthers, etc. Their arguments portray a piss poor understanding of basic geometry and rely heavily on their target audience being both ignorant of basic mechanisms at work as well as having an unwillingness to learn about those mechanisms.

The average adherent simply parrots arguments they hear from threads or youtube videos while simultaneously calling themselves woke and a free thinker.

The larger channel operators that peddle flerfer BS are doing it for donations and in a few cases their donations make up their primary income. It amounts to a sort of fraud, much like snake-oil salesmen.

Additionally there is a large population of flerfers in the UK.

What about all the Youtube channels though?

A lot of those are mirror channels and groups composed of multiple channel operators who additionally have channels of their own. Also if you're searching flat-earth on youtube a number of channels tagged as flat-earth are not flat-earth channels, but rather debunk channels... for example:

Professor Stick is debunker.
Earth Discussions is a debunk group
Flat Earth Math is a flat-earth debunker
Rhetoric&Discourse if a flatearth debunker
Soundly is a debunker
Steve McRae is a debunker
Sly Sparkane is a debunker
ImRic is a debunker

All of those will show up when searching for flat-earth channels, but none of them are flerfers.... and this is not a complete list. I could go on.

You will find a sizeable number of 0-sub channels on the list. Or what will get referred to as sock accounts. These are empty accounts which get pulled to post. Usually to avoid channel bans on youtube. Some of these are flat-earther socks, some of these are socks run by debunkers.

Some channels showing up in the list are also Poes and Parody, Satan Satan, AwakenWithJP, Flat Earth Reset.

And many channels just mirror content from other channels.

How many youtube channels is not a good gauge as to how well a movement is doing. Any idiot with an internet connection can make one or more youtube channel and assign what-ever tags they want to it.

[The Rich Port]

I've been involved with various online discussion engaging in flat-earth debunking for some time now.

This is still a small fringe movement. It is not growing at all. They get more press time and some of the larger players have started scraping money together to hold conventions.... but it is small. Their numbers are not increasing per capita to the growth of the population. The organization acts primarily to peddle young-earth-creationism, and it's materials are primarily targeted towards people who have a distrust of intellectualism, authority figures/government, the typically pulls from other conspiracy groups, truthers, birthers, etc. Their arguments portray a piss poor understanding of basic geometry and rely heavily on their target audience being both ignorant of basic mechanisms at work as well as having an unwillingness to learn about those mechanisms.

The average adherent simply parrots arguments they hear from threads or youtube videos while simultaneously calling themselves woke and a free thinker.

The larger channel operators that peddle flerfer BS are doing it for donations and in a few cases their donations make up their primary income. It amounts to a sort of fraud, much like snake-oil salesmen.

Additionally there is a large population of flerfers in the UK.

I had a sneaking suspicion they were connected to Creationists.

A lot of their "alternative narrative" bullshit stinks of the Intelligent Design movement from the early 2000s.

If y'all blinked and missed that bullshit, here's a documentary about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HZzGXnYL5I

TL;DW The Intelligent Design movement was a front group facading a "secular" Creationist movement.

All of these movements, small as they are, threaten to legitimize lies. I don't like them either way, small or large.